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Jjbeau

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Hi Guys, I become interested in collecting toy soldiers now. How do you guys consider the size of the figures? What size is good for collection? And i know there are different material used in production such as metal, plastic, clay; which one should I go for?:)^&confuse

Thank you all the advice :)
 
It depends on what you are interested in. Can you give us an idea of what your interests are. For example, if you are interested in British Colonial period (Sudan, India, Zulu Wars), you might want to think about glossy.

On the other hand, if you're interested in WW II, you might want to think about matte.

If you give us a little more information, the membership here can probably give you some help.

Brad
 
Hi Guys, I become interested in collecting toy soldiers now. How do you guys consider the size of the figures? What size is good for collection? And i know there are different material used in production such as metal, plastic, clay; which one should I go for?:)^&confuse

Thank you all the advice :)

Welcome to the forum, Jjbeau! Bath, UK, or Bath PA?

To your questions...

First, you must ask yourself, "What interests me?" Are you interested in history? In any specific period or periods? Ancient history, medieval, 18th century, 19th century, modern?

Then, to the question of size or scale, it may be driven by such things as availability of figures that interest you--what scale or size is used by the maker of figures I like? Do you want to make static displays, or dioramas? That will also have an impact--what accessories are available in this scale or that? It may also be impacted by your available display space. Will you have simple cabinet displays, or, if you want to do something more, that may rule out one scale/size or another.

As for the materials of which figures are made, a majority of miniature figures made for the collector market, are made of metal, with a good number of makers using plastic. Kit figures made for you to assemble and paint yourself are in metal, resin or styrene. There are advantages and disadvantages to each material, from the manufacturer's perspective, and preferences on our part as collectors. I know of no modern figures made of clay, though clay and terra cotta were used in the past, by the Romans, for example, or by the ancient Chinese, to make miniature figures. Those of us who sculpt, though, do use clays, or more accurately, putties, to sculpt figures, but those are either one-offs for our own collections, or masters from which we can make molds and then cast copies in metal or resin. I don't think you'll find any figures made of clay or putty on the retail market, though.

Now, a practical example to illustrate what I'm talking about. I'm interested in a lot of periods of history, but as far as toy soldiers are concerned, I focus on the 18th century and the Imperial German army. I got into collecting toy soldiers first through the purchase of a set of homecast Imperial German Prussians, and through experimenting with making plaster molds of some Airfix figures and casting them in lead. I bought books on toy soldiers, learned more about the figures I had bought, and about more makers. Since I was interest in casting, I learned about the molds sold by Prins August to cast Frederick the Great's army, and I bought them. I learned about other makers' figures, and gradually expanded my collection to include various makers' figures. Along the way, I also found makers who made figures from the Imperial German army, both kit figures and finished figures, and I've amassed a small collection of that subject, too.

I like to paint, so that affects my searches and purchases, too. I'll buy old figures for my collections, figures that are in a bad way, because I know I can repair and modify them, then paint them. Most of my collection, I have painted myself, with the exception of some Imperial Germans who were sold back in the 90s.

Since I started with 54mm, I have kept to it as my size of choice, though a collection based on a theme (WWII US paratroopers, say) might include figures of various scales. I like a consistent display, so I stick pretty much to the same scale/size.

I've also collected items that are related to these subjects, like books on the period, prints of uniforms, and artifacts. Many collectors do the same, and you might wind up doing so, too, as you go on in the hobby.

The important thing is to decide what you like, and then look for things that you like, and the rest falls into place.

Hope that helps, prosit!
Brad
 
Great advise Brad .... even for us longtime collectors.
Don't forget Bath, Maine!!

I collect my TS's based on my geographical location (N.E. US) and historical interest (AWI and 1812). Since those are my focus areas that somewhat dictates the manufactures and to a degree, the material.

Personally, I always advise to go with 60mm / 54mm as there is some much after market items that can be gathered with little effort (but possible costly!) --- Larry
 
Great advise Brad .... even for us longtime collectors.
Don't forget Bath, Maine!!

I collect my TS's based on my geographical location (N.E. US) and historical interest (AWI and 1812). Since those are my focus areas that somewhat dictates the manufactures and to a degree, the material.

Personally, I always advise to go with 60mm / 54mm as there is some much after market items that can be gathered with little effort (but possible costly!) --- Larry

Thank you so much Larry :eek:
 
Welcome to the forum, Jjbeau! Bath, UK, or Bath PA?

To your questions...

First, you must ask yourself, "What interests me?" Are you interested in history? In any specific period or periods? Ancient history, medieval, 18th century, 19th century, modern?

Then, to the question of size or scale, it may be driven by such things as availability of figures that interest you--what scale or size is used by the maker of figures I like? Do you want to make static displays, or dioramas? That will also have an impact--what accessories are available in this scale or that? It may also be impacted by your available display space. Will you have simple cabinet displays, or, if you want to do something more, that may rule out one scale/size or another.

As for the materials of which figures are made, a majority of miniature figures made for the collector market, are made of metal, with a good number of makers using plastic. Kit figures made for you to assemble and paint yourself are in metal, resin or styrene. There are advantages and disadvantages to each material, from the manufacturer's perspective, and preferences on our part as collectors. I know of no modern figures made of clay, though clay and terra cotta were used in the past, by the Romans, for example, or by the ancient Chinese, to make miniature figures. Those of us who sculpt, though, do use clays, or more accurately, putties, to sculpt figures, but those are either one-offs for our own collections, or masters from which we can make molds and then cast copies in metal or resin. I don't think you'll find any figures made of clay or putty on the retail market, though.

Now, a practical example to illustrate what I'm talking about. I'm interested in a lot of periods of history, but as far as toy soldiers are concerned, I focus on the 18th century and the Imperial German army. I got into collecting toy soldiers first through the purchase of a set of homecast Imperial German Prussians, and through experimenting with making plaster molds of some Airfix figures and casting them in lead. I bought books on toy soldiers, learned more about the figures I had bought, and about more makers. Since I was interest in casting, I learned about the molds sold by Prins August to cast Frederick the Great's army, and I bought them. I learned about other makers' figures, and gradually expanded my collection to include various makers' figures. Along the way, I also found makers who made figures from the Imperial German army, both kit figures and finished figures, and I've amassed a small collection of that subject, too.

I like to paint, so that affects my searches and purchases, too. I'll buy old figures for my collections, figures that are in a bad way, because I know I can repair and modify them, then paint them. Most of my collection, I have painted myself, with the exception of some Imperial Germans who were sold back in the 90s.

Since I started with 54mm, I have kept to it as my size of choice, though a collection based on a theme (WWII US paratroopers, say) might include figures of various scales. I like a consistent display, so I stick pretty much to the same scale/size.

I've also collected items that are related to these subjects, like books on the period, prints of uniforms, and artifacts. Many collectors do the same, and you might wind up doing so, too, as you go on in the hobby.

The important thing is to decide what you like, and then look for things that you like, and the rest falls into place.

Hope that helps, prosit!
Brad

Thank you so much Brad. Such as great advice! I live in Bath UK. I am actually interested in WW2 :) It is interesting that you also collect other items. Could you suggest me the book about toy soldiers?
 
It depends on what you are interested in. Can you give us an idea of what your interests are. For example, if you are interested in British Colonial period (Sudan, India, Zulu Wars), you might want to think about glossy.

On the other hand, if you're interested in WW II, you might want to think about matte.

If you give us a little more information, the membership here can probably give you some help.

Brad

Thank you Brad :) Im interested in WW2 and WW1. What periods do you collect?
 
In live 10 minutes from BATH, Maine so for me it is American Revolution (K&C); War of 1812 JJD and Raid on St. Francis (John Jenkins) with a touch of Frontline Indians to fill out some scenes. --- Larry
 
Thank you so much Brad. Such as great advice! I live in Bath UK. I am actually interested in WW2 :) It is interesting that you also collect other items. Could you suggest me the book about toy soldiers?

Ours was named for yours, of course, going back to colonial times. That's why we have Hanover and Whitehall townships, too.

You're very welcome, glad if any of this trivia rattling around in my head is of use to anyone else ;)

As far as books go, I started with Richard O'Brien's "Collecting Toy Soldiers". He authored 4 editions, which are now out of print, I think, though they can be found on the second-hand market. Editions 1 and 2 covered toy soldier makers from around the world, then edition 3 covered foreign makers (from our perspective) and edition 4 covered American makers. If you buy editions 3 and 4, you basically have all of the info from editions 1 and 2, plus the additional info O'Brien found in followup research or received from collectors, after the early editions went out. O'Brien provides a good overview of toy soldiers, up to the early 90s, so he just misses our current makers like King & Country and Frontline. They are featured, but not with full articles as he wrote for Britain, Heyde, Mignot.

There are very good books on Britains, by James Opie, for example (covering Wm Britain from the founding to the 1970s) and by Norman Joplin (covering from 1973 to the present). If you google their names, you'll find several titles.

I think there is a book on K&C, but I may be mistaken, and I may be thinking of discussions here in the forum about someone writing such a book. K&C, and Frontline, now have 20+ years apiece in production, and are certainly worthy subjects for an author.

Also, Britains and K&C have collectors' clubs, with newsletters, which are good sources of info on their current production, and are worth tracking down.

There are also a couple of publications, to which I subscribe. Even in the digital age, I like to have hardcopy to review. Old Toy Soldier is one such magazine, a quarterly, once published by Steve Sommer, who was (and still is?) one of the promoters of the annual Chicago toy soldier show (held in Schaumburg, IL, actually), now published by toy soldier dealer and auctioneer Ray Haradin. Another is Toy Soldier and Model Figure, published monthly in Britain, as is Toy Soldier Collector. Many of us here in the forum subscribe to those. TSC is bi-monthly, if I remember correctly. There used to be Toy Soldier Review, published by Bill Lango, who also stages the East Coast Toy Soldier Show every year (aka, the "Hackensack show"), but he ceased publication several years ago, to focus on other work. Back issues are worth tracking down, and Bill, I still wish you'd bring the magazine back.

Beyond those, most books that you'll find cover the history of toy soldiers and of collecting them. If that's of interest to you, look for books by John Garratt, Andrew Rose, and the aforementioned James Opie and Norman Joplin.

Hope that all helps, prosit!
Brad
 
Welcome to the forum Jjbeau. I just wanted to tell You what I collect and how I go about doing it. I am into the American Civil War 54mm figures in matte finish. The forum is a great place to ask questions and get a lot of help and everyone on it is just great. Our host is very helpful when You call up with a question or e-mail them. The forum and Treefrog Treasures have been a big help to Me. Since I am limited to space I have put up shelvies in my den and My dios are on display on them. Hope I was some what of a help to You. Happy collecting. "Mr Colt 45"
 
Plastic figures are much less expensive than metal.
Painting your own soldiers is more fun
than opening a box.
 
Plastic figures are much less expensive than metal.
Painting your own soldiers is more fun
than opening a box.

Ya' I agree that plastic is cheaper than metal. :smile2:
Painting "can" be more fun if you are a good painter and have the eye sight and steady hand to do it .... and of course the time. :rolleyes2:

BUT ... I think you underestimate the enjoyment that you get when the post arrives and you open that box for the first time and actually hold what you have only seen in pictures or get the figure that is sorely needed to complete the scene or diorama. Within minutes my metal, painted figure is ready to go and part of the collection.

Nothing but utmost respect and admiration for those that CAN sculpt and paint but I fear my capabilities lie mostly in ... opening the box :p
 

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