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[Rob]

I told you all he hates us Brits!!!!

Rob

 

[aujj65]

As for the bayonet issue I think andy didn,t add the bayonets on the firing pose because one of the figures was already made before hand as a del prado already (Del prado#15 Wellingtons ft. guards)

Apart from the enormous difference in the painting and finish I'm not totally convinced that the K&C version is just a repaint of the Delprado figure. There are too many differences in the sculpting....the epaulettes, haversack, boots/gaiters and the flintlock is also in a different position.I have attached photo's of both for comparison. What do others think?

Jeff

 

[fishead19690]

After taking a better look, no its not the Del prado casting but a new sculpt but also inspired by the same osprey book painting as the del prado was.

 

[Capitolron]

On the British Square Question

When I was there - it seemed to me that the First Rank - held a firm kneeling position with bayonets fixed to provide the the spiked wall - sometime a 2nd Rank would be a standing position as well - the 3rd and 4th Ranks would rotate in conitunual firing rotation to protect the square and give devasting fire.

THATS RIGHT GENTLEMEN - I WAS THERE .....VIVA L'EMPERUER !

I am really pleased to see these wonderful figures - the Napoleonics are getting better and better - GREAT WORK ANDY !

Marshal Le Ron

 

[Rob]

So just how angry were you when Ney failed to Break those squares Ron?

Rob

 

[Louis Badolato]

So just how angry were you when Ney failed to Break those squares Ron?

Rob

You Brits are just lucky that Ney didn't have any Fuzzy Wuzzies under his command!

 

[Rob]

Thats right,they did break the famous square didn't they.Were they the first or the only ones?

Rob

 

[Louis Badolato]

Thats right,they did break the famous square didn't they.Were they the first or the only ones?

Rob

Neither. The Zulus may well have done it at Isandlawana (I don't know enough about the battle to know if they formed square) but the Afghans certainly did it to the 44th Foot (wiping it out to the last man) during the disasterous retreat from Kabul under Elphinstone. I don't know if the French ever did it.

 

[Rob]

I expect Ron will tell us the French did

Rob

 

[Capitolron]

French broke British Squares all the time - Just look at my CURIO CABINET in my office and you will see

 

[Rob]

I suppose thats another great thing about toy soldiers,you can rewrite History.I never knew the Germans surrendered at Dunkirk!!!!!

Rob

 

[aujj65]

As far as I know the French never managed to break a British square, but they weren't quite so lucky themselves, see my previous post re KGL Dragoons.

2nd KING’S GERMAN DRAGOONS at GARCIA HERNANDEZ 1812

During the Peninsular War at the Battle of Salamanca the pursuit was taken up by the KGL Dragoons led by Von Bock. They were to achieve lasting fame and the admiration of the Allied armies when, near the village of Garcia Hernandez, they attacked and destroyed French cavalry and several battalions of infantry in square. During the charge on a large square of elements of the French 6th Light Infantry which had ranks of men kneeling and standing with levelled bayonets, a loose horse was shot and fell thrashing in agony and scattering the French. Rittmeister Von Usslar Gleichen saw this chaos and led his cheering squadron through the gap and in minutes destroyed the square, hacking down those who resisted and capturing the rest.

Jeff

 

[aujj65]

Neither. The Zulus may well have done it at Isandlawana (I don't know enough about the battle to know if they formed square) but the Afghans certainly did it to the 44th Foot (wiping it out to the last man) during the disasterous retreat from Kabul under Elphinstone. I don't know if the French ever did it.

Louis.

Interesting comment about the 44th Foot, they have the dubious honour of being Britain's Most Massacred Regiment during the 18th & 19th C.

The 44th Foot, later the Essex Regiment and now the Royal Anglian Regiment, were massacred on three occasions.

The 44th, as Lee’s Regiment, formed part of Sir John Cope’s army annihilated at the battle of Prestonpans 21st September 1745 by Prince Charles Edward Stuart’s highlanders. Almost all the infantry were killed, wounded or captured.

Almost exactly 10 years later on 9th July 1755, the 44th, commanded by Colonel Sir John Halkett, who as lieutenant colonel had commanded the regiment and been taken prisoner at Prestonpans, was part of Major General Edward Braddock’s force massacred by the Indians fighting for France on the Monongahela River, in what is now Western Pennsylvania. Halkett and his son died in the battle with many of his officers and soldiers.

In August 1840, the 44th was part of General Sale’s ill-fated army in the First Afghan War. The army was forced to retreat from Kabul pursued by the Afghans in strength. At Gandamak in the Afghan mountains the 44th Regiment was annihilated.

Jeff

 

[Rob]

Hey Jeff,hows you today.I was wondering if you can recommend any Osprey books from the Napoleonic range that might aid me in my joining the Nap club.I have recently got the Campaign series book 'Waterloo',but was wondering which others might be good as an intoruction to uniforms equipt etc.Cheers

Rob

 

[Louis Badolato]

Louis.

Interesting comment about the 44th Foot, they have the dubious honour of being Britain's Most Massacred Regiment during the 18th & 19th C.

The 44th Foot, later the Essex Regiment and now the Royal Anglian Regiment, were massacred on three occasions.

The 44th, as Lee’s Regiment, formed part of Sir John Cope’s army annihilated at the battle of Prestonpans 21st September 1745 by Prince Charles Edward Stuart’s highlanders. Almost all the infantry were killed, wounded or captured.

Almost exactly 10 years later on 9th July 1755, the 44th, commanded by Colonel Sir John Halkett, who as lieutenant colonel had commanded the regiment and been taken prisoner at Prestonpans, was part of Major General Edward Braddock’s force massacred by the Indians fighting for France on the Monongahela River, in what is now Western Pennsylvania. Halkett and his son died in the battle with many of his officers and soldiers.

In August 1840, the 44th was part of General Sale’s ill-fated army in the First Afghan War. The army was forced to retreat from Kabul pursued by the Afghans in strength. At Gandamak in the Afghan mountains the 44th Regiment was annihilated.

Jeff

There's a dramatic painting of the 44th getting masacred at Gandamak, one of its officers wrapped in the Kings Colors as the square is broken and overrun by screaming Pathans with jezzails and Khyber knives. I think it hangs in a gallery in one of the military museums in London.

 

[Capitolron]

I suppose thats another great thing about toy soldiers,you can rewrite History.I never knew the Germans surrendered at Dunkirk!!!!!

Rob

Its not rewriting history - its just how history would be if I had been there.

"OH MY GOD - MARSHAL RON - YOU HAVE SHOT MARSHAL NEY!"

Yes, now send in the infantry and lets take that hill - fix bayonets!!

 

[aujj65]

Hey Jeff,hows you today.I was wondering if you can recommend any Osprey books from the Napoleonic range that might aid me in my joining the Nap club.I have recently got the Campaign series book 'Waterloo',but was wondering which others might be good as an intoruction to uniforms equipt etc.Cheers

Rob

Rob.

There are loads (about 80 I think) to choose from, these are just some of the British.

Wellington's Infantry (1)
Wellington's Infantry (2)
Wellington’s Peninsular Army
Wellington's Peninsular Regiments (1)
Wellington's Peninsular Regiments (2)
Wellington's Foot Guards
Wellington's Light Cavalry
Wellington's Heavy Cavalry
The King’s German Legion
The King's German Legion (2)
Wellington's Highlanders

Excellent books, I can remember when the price was £1.25 each.

Hope this helps.

Jeff

 

[Rob]

Cheers Jeff,thats a real help.I love the Osprey series and i will start ordering these now

Thanks again

Rob

 

[Capitolron]

Rob.

There are loads (about 80 I think) to choose from, these are just some of the British.

Wellington's Infantry (1)
Wellington's Infantry (2)
Wellington’s Peninsular Army
Wellington's Peninsular Regiments (1)
Wellington's Peninsular Regiments (2)
Wellington's Foot Guards
Wellington's Light Cavalry
Wellington's Heavy Cavalry
The King’s German Legion
The King's German Legion (2)
Wellington's Highlanders

Excellent books, I can remember when the price was £1.25 each.

Hope this helps.

Jeff

There is something wrong with this list ???. .......hmmmm......I cant put my finger on it - there seems to be something missing ???...hmmmmmmm

 

[Wraith]

There is something wrong with this list ???. .......hmmmm......I cant put my finger on it - there seems to be something missing ???...hmmmmmmm

Quite right Ron. Here's some of those missing titles.

'Triage - The Practitionor's Guide'
'The French Surgeon's Handbook'
'The Young Officer's Guide on why Squares Can't be Broken'
'Column or Line - A Study in Military Tactics'
'The Wisdom of Fighting on Multiple Fronts'