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Greetings Panzer,

You are spot on.

I double checked & sure enough, the massive Soviet offensive (that decimated Army Group Centre) Operation Bagration, occured on 22nd June 1944.

So maybe the winterized version of the eastern front diorama might work after all.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Nasir Kasmani,
Singapore.
 
Nasir,

I'm still trying to decide if I'm going to have Honour Bound make me a Winter Tiger without the unit insignia and with a set of numbers. That way I can use it in an Eastern Front or Western Front diorama.

However, the 505 Panzer Battalion tank that Honour Bound shows as the Winter Tiger has one of he most impressive and colorful unit symbols (knight mounted on a charging horse) of any tank unit in the war. This one would make a great conversation piece.

For the Western Front, I'm looking at Michael Witmann's Tiger that he used at Villers Bocage. The options for a diorama of this one are unlimited.

I just read Daniel Taylor's 'Villers-Bocage Through the Lens'. Clearly the best and most detailed book of Witmann's rampage on the British 7th Armoured Division (the Desert Rats). This was clearly Wittmann's best performance of a long list of stunning accomplishments.

For a great online biography of Wittmann go here http://http://www.panzerace.net/english/index.asp
This site also has a list of Tank numbers of Wittman's 2 Company of the 101st (Heavy) SS Panzer Battalion. Witmann's 2 Company used red turret numbers outlined in white as Honour Bound shows in their tri-colored pattern of tank #222 and #231.

Semper Fi!
Rick
 
By the way, there is much discussion about what number tank Wittmann was actually in that day at Villers Bocage. Some blieve it was 222. David Pentland (my favorite WWII artist) has done two paintings of Wittmann in Villers Bocage that day in 222. I've seen another artist do Wittmann in 205. Still others lay argument that Wittmann was in 212 that day.

Daniel Taylor in the book I mention in the preceeding post suggest that Wittman was in 231 that day.

Looks like Honour Bound has been doing some home work!

Semper Fi!
Rick
 
Greetings panzer,

I think Michael Wittmann would make a superb tribute of a diorama.

I too eagerly awaited the Michael Wittmann & Bobby Woll figures to be on the Tiger 231.

Saying that there might be a small problem.

Wasn't Wittmann's famous exploits were in the mid tiger 1 range?

Tiger 1331 - Kursk 1943.

Tiger S04 - Eastern Front 1943.

Tiger 231 - Villers Boccage 1944.

The only time he was in a late tiger, it was his last tiger - Tiger 007.

and from what i know, Bobby Woll wasn't in the Tiger 007.

So i dont know panzer, i hope there's prove that the exploits in Viller's Boccage was in a late tiger, coz i really like the Late Tiger Normandy colour 231.

Even though this is a hobby, i am one who likes historical accuracy in my displays.

But saying that too a winter tiger like Wittmann's pic below would look awesome too (Tiger S04 with 88 kill rings).

I still haven't decide yet which one i'll be getting. Should we wait for the early/mid tigers?

What do you guys think?

Regards,

Nasir Kasmani.
 

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Nasir,
Both 1331 and S04 were early production Tiger I tanks distinguishble by the rubber road wheels and early model commander's cupola.

The photo you posted is S04 and was taken on or after Jan 15/16, 1944 as both Witmann and Bobby Woll are wearing the Knights Cross.

In preparation for the anticipated Normandy landings, Wittmann's company was sent to France and reformed as part sSSPzAbt 101 (Heavy SS Panzer Battalion 101) and equipped with late production Tigers.

231 and the rest of Witmann's company's Tanks were late production Tiger I Tanks and were equipped with the steel road wheels.

007, Witmann's last Tiger and the one he met his demise in was also a late production Tiger I.

Semper F!
Rick
 
Greetings panzer,

That is excellent info you passed on there.

Now i'm even more eager to see the Wittmann & Woll pics.

Come on Anna, show us some sneak peeks!

Nasir Kasmani,
Singapore.
 
A Sherman firefly would make a nice companion piece to Witmann's last tiger. Would be perfect for a diorama.
 
Greetings Steel Wheel,

That would be quite a diorama! (Provided you can get a diorama base to fit the 2 tanks, HB's diorama can only for 1)

But if i decide to get Wittmann's tiger, i hope to have something like this eg -


Nasir Kasmani.
 

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I took a look at these tanks and they are just stunning!! Unfortunately, they are well beyond the means of my defense budget. HB is really pushing us into a new realm with all the customizable options- could you imagine something like that a few years down the road with a B17 or ME109 with nose art or something like that.
 
Greetings Currahee Chris,

I agree with you. HB makes very detailed tiger tanks, and if this trend & standard continues, is probably going to shake up this Hobby.

Instant impact is that Andy has already improved again his KC line, this time to address the dreaded armour scale issue, a thorn to me.

As mentioned before, im a big fan of Andy, but a bigger fan for historical accuracy, so the smaller scale for Armour of KC and the differential scale of figures really cheese me off.

Saying that with the release of the KC Tunisian Tiger, Andy had finally address this issue. With this, he had improved an already great product line.

Regarding budget, i too agree with you. Mind you, i'm using asian currency, so i'm basically paying at least double of what you US guys are paying. (those paying in UK pounds or Euros are bloody lucky indeed). To purchase the HB tiger (and other HB accessories) i've been saving for some time.

And we all know HB's beautiful tanks don't come cheap.

However, i'll still be getting HB's products, as they are -

1) beautifully detailed
2) historically accurate
3) Scale accuracy (ALL are in 1/30)
4) Compatability

Anyway its a matter of choice, some people buy the whole KC Arnhem series or Battle of Bulge series for a big diorama. I prefer HB's concept of small diorama's.

For this current Late Tiger, i'm deciding between a diorama of Wittmann's tank in Villers Boccage or the Winter tiger in Winter eastern front.

And i have already sketched a few diorama's in my mind for the future coming HB tanks, - panther, jagdpanther, king tiger.

So its a matter of choice. As in all hobbies, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

What i know is that when i come home from a ****ty day at work, and see the beautiful dioramas and i cheer up, then it will be all worthwhile.

Sincerely,

Nasir Kasmani.
 
Greetings Currahee Chris,

I agree with you. HB makes very detailed tiger tanks, and if this trend & standard continues, is probably going to shake up this Hobby.

Anyway its a matter of choice, some people buy the whole KC Arnhem series or Battle of Bulge series for a big diorama. I prefer HB's concept of small diorama's.

For this current Late Tiger, i'm deciding between a diorama of Wittmann's tank in Villers Boccage or the Winter tiger in Winter eastern front.

And i have already sketched a few diorama's in my mind for the future coming HB tanks, - panther, jagdpanther, king tiger.

Hello Nasir-

thank you for your kind words. Really interesting points you bring up. I was completely unaware of HB until I came to this forum this year. I took the plunge this fall and bought the jagdpanther myself and REALLY enjoy it. I have been playing around with it on my tabletop, positioning it to bring maximum aesthetic affect. I have a really cool setup going right now with it coming out of a defensive position (if I could only figure out how to work my stupid digital camera!! :D:D) I could post some pics.

I'd love to see what you do with the Eastern Front- if they do one of these Gold versions of the King Tiger, I'll probably snatch that puppy up- of course, if they would do an Abrams, that would be a definate sell for me :D:D

Take care
CC
 
Greetings Currahee Chris,

Buying the jagdpanther is an excellent move, and I would love to see your setup of the jagdpanther.

The Abrams, Leopold and Merkhava represents the evolution of tanks to the highest form of this mighty machine of war. I am not interested in either 3 however, due to military tactics and doctorine, they were never really tested against credible opponents.

America's strong point was and always will be their airforce, so too the Israelis. Germany's Bundeswher has been curtailed by their leadership against potraying any form of military might, lest they should be accused of resurging hostile intentions (the tank is after all the symbol of Germany military power).

So we never get to hear the exploits of these 3 tanks, as with Israelis and America, their Airforce will have decimated the enemy armour columns even before their tanks arrived (America - gulf war 1 & 2, Israel - 6 day war, yom kuppur war). The germans hardly show off the Leopold.

When there's no direct enemy contact, there's no stories, legends, myths and Aces about these tanks. If in ww2 Germany's luftwaffe had somehow enough Henshel tank- buster planes and decimated Allied tanks, imagine - there will be no exploits of Aces such as wittmann, baumann, carius and their likes. And we will have hardly known that the Tiger was indeed a mighty tank.

Saying that, i would understand if you long for the Abrams, i think its a beauty.

Back to WW2, The King Tiger would be on my list, esp if they make the Ardennes Camo, with smoking paratroopers from 3rd Fallschirmjager division hitching a ride at the back of the tank (pic 1)

As for the eastern front diorama, i want to highlight that The Germans were not only struggling against a mighty enemy (with almost endless supply of men and material), but the snow, mud and terrain which they are not accustomed to.

So what i have in my mind (shortlisted so far) will be something like this egs (pic 2 & 3)-


Take Care,

Nasir Kasmani.
 

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Those are great dioramas. If you can reproduce them in 1:30 scale, they will look fantastic.
 

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