News Update September 26, 2022, Thunder on the Plains (1 Viewer)

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Just realized perhaps why Julie hasn't posted John's weekly update yet . . . Returning from CTSS . . . Here it is, I hope you don't mind Julie.

Mike

JJDESIGNS NEWS UPDATE 26th SEPTEMBER 2022
THUNDER ON THE PLAINS
THE BLACK HILL WARS 1876-1877
THE BATTLE OF THE ROSEBUD, 17th JUNE 1876
UNITED STATES INFANTRY

Although the Native Americans hated the US cavalry during the Indian Wars of 1865 through 1891, they learned to respect the infantry.
Crazy Horse called them “Walk-a-Heaps” because they marched into battle.
Duty for the US Army on the frontier consisted mainly of patrolling and small unit actions. For the infantryman this typically involved long, forced marches and counter-marches as they sought contact, which was usually unsuccessful, as the Native Americans were a skilful and elusive foe.
The first day’s march for an infantry column was usually limited to no more than 15 miles in order to give the troops an opportunity to adapt themselves to the conditions. For Campaign seasoned troops, 25 miles was considered a good day’s march.
Cavalry could travel faster and further, but their grain fed mounts tended to tire after days of continual marching and surprisingly, well trained infantry could outdistance cavalry units over a period of several weeks.


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On 28th May 1876, Brigadier General George Crook assumed direct command of the Bighorn and Yellowstone Expedition at Fort Fetterman. Crook had gathered a strong force. Leaving Fort Fetterman on 29th May the 1,051man column consisted of 15 companies from the 2nd and 3rd Cavalry, 5 companies from the 4th and 9th Infantry, 250 mules and 106 wagons.
On the 14th June, the column was joined by 261 Shoshone and Crow allies.
Based on intelligence reports Crook ordered his entire force to prepare for a quick march. Each man was to carry only 1 blanket, 100 rounds of ammunition, and 4 days rations. The wagon train would be left at Goose Creek, and the infantry would be mounted on the pack mules.


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On 17 June, Crook's column set out at 0600, marching northward along the south fork of Rosebud Creek. The Crow and Shoshone scouts were particularly apprehensive. Although the column had not yet encountered any sign of Indians, the scouts seemed to sense their presence. The soldiers, particularly the mule-riding infantry, seemed fatigued from the early start and the previous day's 35-mile (56 km) march. Accordingly, Crook stopped to rest his men and animals at 0800. Although he was deep in hostile territory, Crook made no special dispositions for defense. His troops halted in their marching order. The Cavalry battalions led the column, followed by the battalion of mule-borne foot soldiers, and a provisional company of civilian miners and packers brought up the rear.


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The Crow and Shoshone scouts remained alert while the soldiers rested. Several minutes later, the soldiers heard the sound of intermittent gunfire coming from the bluffs to the north. As the intensity of fire increased, a scout rushed into the camp shouting, "Lakota, Lakota!" The Battle of the Rosebud had started. By 0830, the Sioux and Cheyenne had hotly engaged Crook's Indian allies on the high ground north of the main body. Heavily outnumbered, the Crow and Shoshone scouts fell back toward the camp, but their fighting withdrawal gave Crook time to deploy his forces. Rapidly firing soldiers drove off the attackers but used up much of the ammunition meant for use later in the campaign. Low on ammunition and with numerous wounded, the General returned to his post.


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Historians debate whether Crook’s pressing on could have prevented the killing of the five companies of the 7th Cavalry Regiment led by George Armstrong Custer at the Battle of the Little Bighorn.

The Sioux troubles increased the need for mounted troops on the frontier, and as early as December 6th 1866, elements of the 18th Infantry were mounted, and operating alongside Cavalry.
The practice of using mounted infantry continued until the end of the Indian wars.

Best wishes and many thanks

john jenkins

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I had not planned on collecting another new range, but my gawd John! US Cavalry and mounted Infantry! Historically correct horse (mule) handlers. I'm in!

Mike
 
Another excellent forthcoming range of beautiful miniature figurines. Well done Mr Jenkins.
 
Thanks Mike!

Hard to post and drive..... :)

Julie
 
I am looking forward to this collection! I too, am not financially able to start a new range, but I will for these!

These look great! and the pack horses, and saddled mounts look good. hope they get the details right.
I tend to like them that way.

The slings on their 1873 Springfield rifles look a bit wide/thick. these,rifles, at the time, used the "66 1/2" slings.
They were left over Civil War slings stitched together to get a length that fit the rifles, and allow
salvage of a bunch of surplus slings. These were the standard width of leather strap slings as used for the Civil War muskets, as well as the later sling types into 1905.

Also, their hats. I think at the time, they still had the Model 1872 Campaign hats. These were a foldable hat that was not
very well made (and tended to fall apart). they did not yet have many (if any) of the just approved Model 1876 campaign hats.
I would expect to see some 1872 hats. and yes, Army soldiers in the west often purchased and wore civilian hats
that offered more function and style when the officers allowed.

AND... A few troops at the time had the 1872 front pleated and piped Blouse in service at this time. some could likely be wearing those. which were phased out quickly.

The reason the Native Americans had more respect for the foot soldiers was that their 45/70 rifles carried a larger powder load , and had a longer barrel than the Cavalry carbines.

The infantry, could do more damage with better accuracy to the Warriors at a longer range.

They could march long distances, and did, but usually the less than adequate shoes, and trousers fell apart after a long
trek. leaving some troopers struggling on bare feet and shredded trousers.

I hope they do some Cavalry that is accurate for the time, and details, as well!
 
I'm a pain, I know.
but also at the time of the Rosebud and Little Big Horn fights.
the Soldiers did not yet have many 1876 prairie belts either.
I can't tell if that is what they are wearing. but at the time of those battles,
most troops had the black leather belts with cartridge loops stitched onto them.

Thus the verdigris that formed causing jamming of copper shells at times. unless the troopers cleaned their
ammo. Which was an issue reported at the time.
the following canvas web 1876 ("Prairie belts) solved this issue.
 
I'm a pain, I know.
but also at the time of the Rosebud and Little Big Horn fights.
the Soldiers did not yet have many 1876 prairie belts either.
I can't tell if that is what they are wearing. but at the time of those battles,
most troops had the black leather belts with cartridge loops stitched onto them.

Thus the verdigris that formed causing jamming of copper shells at times. unless the troopers cleaned their
ammo. Which was an issue reported at the time.
the following canvas web 1876 ("Prairie belts) solved this issue.


Your not a pain at all. We love to have people on here that have knowledge.
Mark
 
I believe those 1872 hats were black .
Mark

Yes, they were. an odd design. with fold up brims, and a pair of fiddly hooks to hold them.
see pic, this is the best representation I've seen so far of an 1876 period US soldier.
This is a cavalryman, so the boots, carbine, sling , pistol holster,and extra leather loop for pistol cartridges would
not be on an infantryman. He would have his canteen, bayonet, blanket bag/forage sack, and or blanket roll.
And his jacket piping would be blue.

His shirt under jacket could be the issue grey shirt, an earlier surplus white Civil war shirt, or even a private purchase shirt
of any color or pattern. Although some officers frowned on too much personal uniform deviation with enlisted soldiers.

More often than not, all troops wore a neckerchief bought at suttler or civilian supply. to
use for so many uses. these would be any color/pattern and they got very creative. No John Ford
matching yellow......
 

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Thanks Mike!

Hard to post and drive..... :)

Julie

Thought women were great at multi-tasking? Only joking, hope you had a great show and can take a bit of break after what must have been a hectic last week or so.

I and many of my fellow collectors across the pond from you really appreciate the JJD updates, if i am lucky i can take a break and grab a tea and go through them, even those series i do not collect [many of which i have later collected]. With thoughts of excitement, frustration and showing both sides of collecting TS, glad JJD released something but then the realisation that there is yet more figures i want and the cost. JJD for me are currently at the pinnicle of the TS market.
 
I am more excited about the infantry than the cavalry. I dont think anyone has made Indian war US infantry before
 
Yes, they were. an odd design. with fold up brims, and a pair of fiddly hooks to hold them.
see pic, this is the best representation I've seen so far of an 1876 period US soldier.
This is a cavalryman, so the boots, carbine, sling , pistol holster,and extra leather loop for pistol cartridges would
not be on an infantryman. He would have his canteen, bayonet, blanket bag/forage sack, and or blanket roll.
And his jacket piping would be blue.

His shirt under jacket could be the issue grey shirt, an earlier surplus white Civil war shirt, or even a private purchase shirt
of any color or pattern. Although some officers frowned on too much personal uniform deviation with enlisted soldiers.

More often than not, all troops wore a neckerchief bought at suttler or civilian supply. to
use for so many uses. these would be any color/pattern and they got very creative. No John Ford
matching yellow......

I have taken the liberty to forward your observations and very good comments on uniforming and appearance of the typical 1876 trooper along with the excellent picture you have kindly provided to John for his consideration. Hopefully he will incorporate your knowledge of the subject in the final releases.

Mike
 
I am more excited about the infantry than the cavalry. I dont think anyone has made Indian war US infantry before
Britain's has a single 1880's infantryman in their "Dirty Shirt Blues" series.
it appears correct for an 1880's soldier. except he seems to have cavalry boots on?
. but these JJD's seem a little more refined.

Will be some nice sets to display.
 

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