Norman Knight Reveal part II (NM-05A) (1 Viewer)

[mestell]

Some photos of mounted Norman Knight NM-05A

Mike

 

[mestell]

Actually these are photos of NM-05B. Realized error to late to make the necessary edits.

 

[Isandlwana]

I've collected the Saxon figures and they are good despite the somewhat basic shield decals (I do think the shields would have been better hand painted and with a greater variety in hues/designs). I have a real problem with the mounted figures. The heads on the horses for example aren't that exceptional by John's high standards and neither are the pennants. But that's a positive in a way, as if I won't buy them then that's more for everyone else to enjoy.

I'm just disappointed that the mounted figures cost 170% more than the Saxon foot figures but don't match that elevated percentage in terms of the quality I'm seeing when closely scrutinised in the excellent photos you have provided.

By and large John's work is nonpareil in this industry and i know this won't be a popular opinion but I only speak as a subjective consumer. I'll stick to just the shield wall based on the photos.

 

[mestell]

I've collected the Saxon figures and they are good despite the somewhat basic shield decals (I do think the shields would have been better hand painted and with a greater variety in hues/designs). I have a real problem with the mounted figures. The heads on the horses for example aren't that exceptional by John's high standards and neither are the pennants. But that's a positive in a way, as if I won't buy them then that's more for everyone else to enjoy.

I'm just disappointed that the mounted figures cost 170% more than the Saxon foot figures but don't match that elevated percentage in terms of the quality I'm seeing when closely scrutinised in the excellent photos you have provided.

By and large John's work is nonpareil in this industry and i know this won't be a popular opinion but I only speak as a subjective consumer. I'll stick to just the shield wall based on the photos.

Obviously from my original comments I disagree with you. But I do thoroughly understand since I have had similar feelings about offerings in the past from other manufacturer's. We all have the right to our opinion and I respect that.
Mike

 

[Pathfinder216]

I've collected the Saxon figures and they are good despite the somewhat basic shield decals (I do think the shields would have been better hand painted and with a greater variety in hues/designs). I have a real problem with the mounted figures. The heads on the horses for example aren't that exceptional by John's high standards and neither are the pennants. But that's a positive in a way, as if I won't buy them then that's more for everyone else to enjoy.

I'm just disappointed that the mounted figures cost 170% more than the Saxon foot figures but don't match that elevated percentage in terms of the quality I'm seeing when closely scrutinised in the excellent photos you have provided.

By and large John's work is nonpareil in this industry and i know this won't be a popular opinion but I only speak as a subjective consumer. I'll stick to just the shield wall based on the photos.

Having studied the Bayeux Tapestry in detail, the shield Decals and Huey are absolutely historically correct and spot on, sometimes modern interpretations are somewhat if I can say "Hollywood" and the real historical facts are lost. I personally think the Saxon Shield Wall is spectacular and that's why I will have over 350 Figures in mine currently at 250+ and growing.

Regards
J

 

[Nooooo9]

Having studied the Bayeux Tapestry in detail, the shield Decals and Huey are absolutely historically correct and spot on, sometimes modern interpretations are somewhat if I can say "Hollywood" and the real historical facts are lost. I personally think the Saxon Shield Wall is spectacular and that's why I will have over 350 Figures in mine currently at 250+ and growing.

Regards
J

250 plus is very impressive. I don’t have even half that number and I’m filling in the ranks with Britain’s, Conte, and Publius figures.

 

[mestell]

Having studied the Bayeux Tapestry in detail, the shield Decals and Huey are absolutely historically correct and spot on, sometimes modern interpretations are somewhat if I can say "Hollywood" and the real historical facts are lost. I personally think the Saxon Shield Wall is spectacular and that's why I will have over 350 Figures in mine currently at 250+ and growing.

Regards
J

Thank you for your input. John is usually spot on his research in developing the final figures and sets regardless of the historical range. Your collection sounds very impressive to say the least.
Mike

 

[Isandlwana]

Having studied the Bayeux Tapestry in detail, the shield Decals and Huey are absolutely historically correct and spot on, sometimes modern interpretations are somewhat if I can say "Hollywood" and the real historical facts are lost. I personally think the Saxon Shield Wall is spectacular and that's why I will have over 350 Figures in mine currently at 250+ and growing.

Regards
J

There is a difference between having studied and having viewed the tapestry and I would respectfully suggest that you view it some more, particularly the shape of shield most prevalent in Harold's army and the aforesaid hues. 250 is indeed an impressive boast. Collectors would, I am sure, love to see this boast in photographic form.

 

[Captain Smart]

These are very impressive figurines and I really like them. FYI As to the History of the Shields in questions. Norman Kite Shields came in two forms. The very elliptical elongated Kite and a more rounder kite version. By this time in 1050/1060's even some Saxon Theigns were adopting the Kite Shield and abandoning the round boss shield. Possibly even Harold sons and some of his elite Huscarls probably had adopted them although not all. The Bayeux Tapestry even shows some Saxons with this Kite shield. I wish John Jenkins does more Vikings, the club model was good. That's really what I would seriously collect. I was too slow in picking the Saxons up initially.

 

[Pathfinder216]

There is a difference between having studied and having viewed the tapestry and I would respectfully suggest that you view it some more, particularly the shape of shield most prevalent in Harold's army and the aforesaid hues. 250 is indeed an impressive boast. Collectors would, I am sure, love to see this boast in photographic form.

I have a Holiday home in Barbeville France which i have had for over 20 years, myself and my family spend lots of summer there, so I have studied the Bayeux Tapestry for many years up close and personal, spending many a day in the museum over the years. So I can clearly say I have studied and respectfully suggest you think before trying to put someone down for having a different opinion than your own. Please come and study it with me, I would be happy to show you around the museum and educate you on the real thing.

Best Regards
J

 

[Guest]

There is a difference between having studied and having viewed the tapestry and I would respectfully suggest that you view it some more, particularly the shape of shield most prevalent in Harold's army and the aforesaid hues. 250 is indeed an impressive boast. Collectors would, I am sure, love to see this boast in photographic form.

Interesting way to call the guy a liar about his collection?

If this was a homecraft forum I would also have to point out to you it is not a tapestry, it is an embroidery, so this really does make the actual source ‘material’ wrong, ha ha. Seriously, the actual information on the let's called it the woven document has been compared to propaganda. The original source for Harold being shot in the eye came from it, which has not been proven in another source. It also mixes fable in with the battle story and has more than 90 penises [in various emotional stages] on it, mainly horses, but there are 2 fable stories with naked men and women which have nothing to do with the battle, with other clothed fables as well.

On shield etc, especially Norman mounted, it was made at least 10 years after the battle, commissioned, probably by Harold's brother, Bishop Ode of Bayeux in the late 1770s and the scholars general feeling it was produced in England, maybe around Canterbury as there are other much smaller pieces of embroidery of a similar style found from that region. What I am trying to say is for accuracy can a source be truly described accurate if it was made over a decade after the battle, by people who were not there and were actual the defeated people in the battle. At a time when very few people could read or write and using a material which had very limited range of colours and design features.

I have been there and seen it 4 or 5 times, I go there for the D-Day and Normandy battlefield history, normally once a year, with many historians and military history geeks arguing about what happen in 1944 and that was 76 years ago and we still argue with the all the evidence we have. What chance do we have on a battle that was over 900 years ago, they are still arguing about where it actually was and new evidence seems to point to a different place?

Buy the figures if you want too and do not if you do not want them, simple, but do not give people grief that do, it is their choice.

 

[Old Bill]

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Interesting way to call the guy a liar about his collection?

If this was a homecraft forum I would also have to point out to you it is not a tapestry, it is an embroidery, so this really does make the actual source ‘material’ wrong, ha ha. Seriously, the actual information on the let's called it the woven document has been compared to propaganda. The original source for Harold being shot in the eye came from it, which has not been proven in another source. It also mixes fable in with the battle story and has more than 90 penises [in various emotional stages] on it, mainly horses, but there are 2 fable stories with naked men and women which have nothing to do with the battle, with other clothed fables as well.

On shield etc, especially Norman mounted, it was made at least 10 years after the battle, commissioned, probably by Harold's brother, Bishop Ode of Bayeux in the late 1770s and the scholars general feeling it was produced in England, maybe around Canterbury as there are other much smaller pieces of embroidery of a similar style found from that region. What I am trying to say is for accuracy can a source be truly described accurate if it was made over a decade after the battle, by people who were not there and were actual the defeated people in the battle. At a time when very few people could read or write and using a material which had very limited range of colours and design features.

I have been there and seen it 4 or 5 times, I go there for the D-Day and Normandy battlefield history, normally once a year, with many historians and military history geeks arguing about what happen in 1944 and that was 76 years ago and we still argue with the all the evidence we have. What chance do we have on a battle that was over 900 years ago, they are still arguing about where it actually was and new evidence seems to point to a different place?

Buy the figures if you want too and do not if you do not want them, simple, but do not give people grief that do, it is their choice.

Honestly not trying to be smart, and it's obviously a typo - but for anyone not knowing - as far as I am aware, Bishop Odo of Bayeux was the half brother of Duke William (not Harold) and I believe that should read 1170's.

I have been following with interest the last few posts as I am into all aspects of the Battle myself. "The only thing we know for certain about the Battle of Hastings is that the Normans won" not my quote but a good one

Roy

 

[Old Bill]

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Honestly not trying to be smart, and it's obviously a typo - but for anyone not knowing - as far as I am aware, Bishop Odo of Bayeux was the half brother of Duke William (not Harold) and I believe that should read 1170's.

I have been following with interest the last few posts as I am into all aspects of the Battle myself. "The only thing we know for certain about the Battle of Hastings is that the Normans won" not my quote but a good one

Roy

Oh dear - hoist with my own Petard should read 1070's. That'll teach me :redface2:

Roy