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[Alex]

I vote for greeks/spartans

& Aztecs/New world


Cheers,

Alex

 

[HistoryfortheAges]

Could it be Custer and the American West??? Boxer Rebellion is also a good guess. Ancient Egyptians and their enemies is a good possibility...

 

[Gazza]

Gaz, Having been part of Vietnam, I can offer some observations about why it is not more popular. Internationally it was never popular. Here, it was extremely unpopular. Even most of us that were in it thought is was a bad idea from the beginning. There was not much glory and all too much of other things that many would prefer not to remember. WWI is probably similar in several respects but it was long enough ago that its details and bloody absurdities are less appreciated today and it is perceived as a defensive reaction to saving France, a large and relatively well known country, more than a question of saving a particular regime of a small country in the midst of a more distant and much less understood region.

Bill

I can understand why the war may not be viewed as popular at the time but surely there is interest in it? The 70's / 80's saw a number of films (varying quality) from Deer Hunter, Apocolypse Now, Rambo series, Platoon, Full Metal Jacket, Hamburger Hill and the Tour of Duty series.

I think that a huey chopper with USM piling out with M16's, grenade launchers and an M60 (or two) would look pretty amazing. Or the NVA in camouflage and an AK47 or an RPG. Imagine an First Legion F4-Phantom !!! There are some real iconic weaponary and units associated with the war. But I guess the real issue is, would it sell?

Gazza

 

[Spitfrnd]

Bill

I can understand why the war may not be viewed as popular at the time but surely there is interest in it? The 70's / 80's saw a number of films (varying quality) from Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now, Rambo series, Platoon, Full Metal Jacket, Hamburger Hill and the Tour of Duty series.

I think that a Huey chopper with USM piling out with M16's, grenade launchers and an M60 (or two) would look pretty amazing. Or the NVA in camouflage and an AK47 or an RPG. Imagine an First Legion F4-Phantom !!! There are some real iconic weaponry and units associated with the war. But I guess the real issue is, would it sell?

Gazza

I don't have much interest in any modern wars personally but I just don't see Vietnam as a big seller anywhere, in part because of the major ambivalence here and abroad about its need and the way it was fought. A FL detail level F4 might indeed be hard to pass up but the Phantom is just an iconic fighter anyway. With the drooping nose and tail, flipped up wing tips and smoke trail it just emanated threat. It was a kick to fly as well. The rest of the war, well a mixed bag at best; rather like those movies you cite.:wink2: BTW, anyone know why the Phantom's wing tips were angled up so much?

 

[fmethorst]

From what I understand the Phantom wing didn't have sufficent dihedral (for lateral stability) so rather than redisgn the whole wing just the tips were angled more.

 

[Harvey]

What about Boxer Rebellion?

That would be fantastic. So many nations to depict with so much talent. Yes, we can dream.

 

[Rob]

I don't have much interest in any modern wars personally but I just don't see Vietnam as a big seller anywhere, in part because of the major ambivalence here and abroad about its need and the way it was fought. A FL detail level F4 might indeed be hard to pass up but the Phantom is just an iconic fighter anyway. With the drooping nose and tail, flipped up wing tips and smoke trail it just emanated threat. It was a kick to fly as well. The rest of the war, well a mixed bag at best; rather like those movies you cite.:wink2: BTW, anyone know why the Phantom's wing tips were angled up so much?

I agree Bill, just don't Vietnam as being popular enough to sustain a large range, sad but its probably of little interest compared to other conflicts. I think the Glory of Rome range a great idea and a great looking series, at the end of the day producers have to go with what they think will sell.

Rob

 

[Currahee Chris]

.....but I just don't see Vietnam as a big seller anywhere, in part because of the major ambivalence here and abroad about its need and the way it was fought.

oh, I dunno bud. I remember when KC's Nam line hit stores- it was a rabid seller. Behind the Special Forces line, that is my alltime favorite KC line. They still do very very well on the secondary market too so I believe there is interest. Even the 1"18th (4" scale) Huey is hugely collectible (from 21st Century). I believe Nam could be as popular as WW1 or dare I say the American Revolution- especially if done right.

Now, is the interest level there to support a $50 grunt like FL would run- not sure. A FL Phantom or Huey would be very very expensive I think.

I think the biggest thing that hurts Nam is the lack of Tank battles. Something about those big metal beasts plodding along and blowing everything up that really seems to set WW2 apart from all the other periods.

 

[debrito]

For me no conflicts after WWII are interesting, I think that WWII was the boundary of mass destruction and too much technology involved. So modern eras conflicts are no longer a soldiers thing is technological one and I have no interest on this kind of war. So hope to see anything old fashion style.....

Just a personal opinion

 

[Blowtorch]

Vikings?

 

[Blowtorch]

From what I understand the Phantom wing didn't have sufficent dihedral (for lateral stability) so rather than redisgn the whole wing just the tips were angled more.

Believe it or not, Phantoms are still being used...saw them on Libya missions this past week

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Believe it or not, Phantoms are still being used...saw them on Libya missions this past week

Who was flying them? I didn't think the Lybians had any - they pretty much have Russian planes. I didn't think NATO still actively used any in combat? Although Germany , Greece and Turkey still have some, but they aren't flying to cover the no fly zone - are they? Be funny if they were from Egypt.

Terry

 

[Spitfrnd]

From what I understand the Phantom wing didn't have sufficent dihedral (for lateral stability) so rather than redisgn the whole wing just the tips were angled more.

That is correct Frank. They were too far along in the design so the result was a very classic looking aircraft; one of the best looking jet fighters to me.

 

[Spitfrnd]

For me no conflicts after WWII are interesting, I think that WWII was the boundary of mass destruction and too much technology involved. So modern eras conflicts are no longer a soldiers thing is technological one and I have no interest on this kind of war. So hope to see anything old fashion style.....

Just a personal opinion

Well I am very much with you Rod. I actually stop before WWI for all but aircraft. For me, the machine gun made soldiers much too vulnerable to make the combat interesting in general.

 

[Gebhard]

The expansion of the Napoleonic line has been expected for some time and given Matt's irrepressible esteem for "le Petit Caporal", I think it is certain it will feature another continental battle, most likely between 1809 and 1812. Since the other main Napoleonic belligerents, Prussia and Russia, have already been introduced, logic suggests that means it may be time for the least successful Napoleonic adversary; you know the one with the beautiful queen.:wink2:^&grin While this carries little interest for me and I wish they would get on to the most popular part of the wars^&grin I would certainly buy the queen.

Bill ,
Ya really should have more respect for the Armies who took the full brunt of Napoleon's force and made it possible for your favorites to be successful on land :wink2: Without the Coalitions bleeding things would have been a lot different for jolly ol England . I know your a hopeless Anglophile but sometimes your total disregard for the other Nations...... well ya know .. and a big thank GOD for Matt's interest otherwise we would be stuck at Waterloo for the next 20 years like everyone else .... Regards Mate ....Gebhard

 

[Gebhard]

Hear! Hear!

Dave

Thanks Dave ,
Your response made me crack up :salute:: regards Gebhard

 

[Spitfrnd]

Bill ,
Ya really should have more respect for the Armies who took the full brunt of Napoleon's force and made it possible for your favorites to be successful on land :wink2: Without the Coalitions bleeding things would have been a lot different for jolly ol England . I know your a hopeless Anglophile but sometimes your total disregard for the other Nations...... well ya know .. and a big thank GOD for Matt's interest otherwise we would be stuck at Waterloo for the next 20 years like everyone else .... Regards Mate ....Gebhard

Noting the historical facts has nothing to do with regard my friend. The simple truth is that the coalition armies were very unsuccessful against Napoleon and the missing one was the least unsuccessful. The other simple truth is that it did have a beautiful queen. There is also no dispute that Matt is a card carrying devotee of Napoleon and has a preference for his more successful battles. There is no disregard in any of this and certainly you all are free and welcome to collect what you like as well. That does not mean it has to hold any interest for me though; remember Allah's love for diversity.:wink2:

As you know, I have no more interest in sticking to Waterloo than you do actually and while it was a pivotal battle, I would much prefer to see a truly rare exploration of the Peninsula's contribution to the bleeding you note. Truly, the campaigns are more interesting than any individual battle and the Peninsula campaign, thanks mostly to Mr Cornwell, is relatively the most popular and well known part of the wars. Again, no disregard, just reality and a reminder of my preference as well. Believe me, I will celebrate for you the arrival of your mounted Blucher, which as all good things, I have no doubt will come to those who wait.:smile2: If you check with Matt, I think you will find I have been waiting for those green lads a fair bit longer so I quite understand how much you will enjoy seeing it happen, when it finally does.

 

[FirstLegion]

The simple truth is that the coalition armies were very unsuccessful against Napoleon and the missing one was the least unsuccessful.

I think i have to jump in here and say that I disagree. Every army was basically unsuccessful for the most part against Napoleon, including the British (except at Waterloo). It was the Russians who were by far the most successful against Napoleon. The campaigns of 1812 and 1813 were Napoleon's downfall and had nothing to do with British Arms, only British pocket books. Now if you change your statement to "...against the French" rather than "against Napoleon" then your point about the British becomes much more true as they did give the French armies fits in the Penninsula and were very successful. But when Napoleon himself went to the Penninsula he cleaned house. ^&grin Of course, one could take it a step further and make the point not so much about the British as much as about Wellington. In this period of time, the leaders of armies did indeed make a huge difference.

There is also no dispute that Matt is a card carrying devotee of Napoleon and has a preference for his more successful battles.

I am absolutely a Francophile when it comes to this period and I do believe Napoleon to be one of the top military minds of all time, certainly the top of this period and up to the present. However, you are incorrect that i have a preference for his most successful battles, and I think that is very clearly evidenced by the topics we've covered. Waterloo was a horrible showing for Napoleon. Borodino was a horrible showing for Napoleon. And the new battle we're about to launch was, well, you'll just have to see...but hardly a success! You mistake my preference for the battles and major campaigns on the continent over the sideshow of the Penninsula for a preference for Napoleon's successful battles! I guess one could correctly say that I have a preference for any battle which Napoleon commanded in person and, for the most part, that precludes the Penninsula. Napoleon always placed himself at the head of the main army in the most decisive theater and the fact that he was rarely found in Spain speaks volumes! ^&grin

And yes, i can absolutely say that you've been asking for the 95th rifles since at least as early as we released the British Guards, maybe even earlier. I think your request for the 95th may be one of our oldest and longest running requests!

Best,

Matt

 

[Gebhard]

Noting the historical facts has nothing to do with regard my friend. The simple truth is that the coalition armies were very unsuccessful against Napoleon and the missing one was the least unsuccessful. The other simple truth is that it did have a beautiful queen. There is also no dispute that Matt is a card carrying devotee of Napoleon and has a preference for his more successful battles. There is no disregard in any of this and certainly you all are free and welcome to collect what you like as well. That does not mean it has to hold any interest for me though; remember Allah's love for diversity.:wink2:

As you know, I have no more interest in sticking to Waterloo than you do actually and while it was a pivotal battle, I would much prefer to see a truly rare exploration of the Peninsula's contribution to the bleeding you note. Truly, the campaigns are more interesting than any individual battle and the Peninsula campaign, thanks mostly to Mr Cornwell, is relatively the most popular and well known part of the wars. Again, no disregard, just reality and a reminder of my preference as well. Believe me, I will celebrate for you the arrival of your mounted Blucher, which as all good things, I have no doubt will come to those who wait.:smile2: If you check with Matt, I think you will find I have been waiting for those green lads a fair bit longer so I quite understand how much you will enjoy seeing it happen, when it finally does.

Bill ,
I think we will just have to agree to disagree on the importance of the Peninsula :wink2:
I would hope you could at least give the Austrians whom you call "the biggest losers" a little credit in helping with the success enjoyed by the British during the Peninsula Campaign . With British urging the Austrians prepared for War which caused Napoleon to face the bigger threat and even recall the Guard from Spain . I think maybe you should read up on the War against Austria in 1809 they did quite well in fact and even handed ol Nappy his first defeat . Due to time and space I will just say that Napoleon eventually assembled an Army of 190,000 to deal with the Austrians, who again fought very well which caused even him to have great respect for the fighting qualities of the Austrian soldiers . I'm not asking you to collect it or even have an interest in it but I think even the most die hard Anglophile would have to wonder what would have been on the Peninsula with Napoleon at the head of those 190,000 troops in addition to the ones he had left in Spain :wink2:

IMO the largest British contribution to the war against France on the continent was largely limited to providing funds for allied armies.

I will not disagree with you about the popularity of the Peninsula due largely to Mr Cornwell's books and later adaptation into the very popular Sharpe's TV series which I enjoyed quite a bit It's just not the beginning and end for me , but just another chapter in the bigger story..... and I love the whole book

I don't know when you started asking for the 95th as I'm a newbie to the Forum compared to some . I'll can say is that I started asking for Prussians, Blücher included when I placed my first order when there was only Bavarians to be had ....so I guess you out rank me :salute:: cool ^&cool ...Like you say good things come to those who wait and I have nothing but time :wink2: Best regards Mate .. Gebhard

 

[Spitfrnd]

Bill ,
I think we will just have to agree to disagree on the importance of the Peninsula :wink2:
I would hope you could at least give the Austrians whom you call "the biggest losers" a little credit in helping with the success enjoyed by the British during the Peninsula Campaign . With British urging the Austrians prepared for War which caused Napoleon to face the bigger threat and even recall the Guard from Spain . I think maybe you should read up on the War against Austria in 1809 they did quite well in fact and even handed ol Nappy his first defeat . Due to time and space I will just say that Napoleon eventually assembled an Army of 190,000 to deal with the Austrians, who again fought very well which caused even him to have great respect for the fighting qualities of the Austrian soldiers . I'm not asking you to collect it or even have an interest in it but I think even the most die hard Anglophile would have to wonder what would have been on the Peninsula with Napoleon at the head of those 190,000 troops in addition to the ones he had left in Spain.

LOL mate you are making this much harder than needs be.^&grin I know a fair bit about all of the wars campaigns after the revolutionary army period so yes I am familiar with the 1809 campaign. I guess I don't think I would say they did quite well but no question they fought bravely and did distract Napoleon from Spain. Frankly I never said otherwise. I do question their tactical and strategic decisions but they probably made no more errors than the Russians or Prussians and they perhaps were more often in the wrong places and got chewed up a bit more relatively as a result. So cut me some small slack and please spare me the continent was the real war lectures. To paraphrase Quigley, I never said the Austrians weren't of value, I simply said I didn't have much use for them in my collection.^&grin Moreover, I did give them credit (3 times now) for a beautiful queen, which even I would be pleased to collect.^&grin

IMO the largest British contribution to the war against France on the continent was largely limited to providing funds for allied armies.

Ah now you are falling err to the very excess that you labeled me with above. However, contrary to your assumption, I do not question the contribution of the continental battles to the success of the Peninsula campaign or the ultimate defeat of Napoleon. By the same token, I would humbly suggest you might consider that the Peninsula was much more than a sideshow and IMO, and that of many other scholars, made as much of a contribution to Napoleon's downfall as the British funding. Besides, I have found that for every Anglophile, there is a Francophile, Prussianophile or Austrianophile, etc.^&grin

I will not disagree with you about the popularity of the Peninsula due largely to Mr Cornwell's books and later adaptation into the very popular Sharpe's TV series which I enjoyed quite a bit. It's just not the beginning and end for me , but just another chapter in the bigger story..... and I love the whole book

I hope you have read the books as well as enjoyed the series. Both are excellent but the books are so more rich (as usual) in detail and much more accurate historically. Cornwell really does his homework and is a brilliant writer. I have read all of them but Waterloo several times, both in print and in unabridged audio form on my Ipod. If you have missed any, I can't recommend them enough.

I can't and don't fault you for loving the whole book either. As a collector, for me my focus is part Anglophilic and part from the need to have some realistic limits on my expenditures for this hobby. If I had unlimited funds, I would also collect the whole series, and likely all of the Crusades and AWI as well but that is just not to be. So I focus on my main interests and appreciate the rest of the series that you and others collect and share; and I do very much appreciate seeing the rest of these fine figures as posted here. So by all means, indulge and share the continental pieces and I will dutifully admire.^&cool So Allah should be content.

I don't know when you started asking for the 95th as I'm a newbie to the Forum compared to some . I'll can say is that I started asking for Prussians, Blücher included when I placed my first order when there was only Bavarians to be had ....so I guess you out rank me cool. ...Like you say good things come to those who wait and I have nothing but time :wink2: Best regards Mate .. Gebhard

As I said, I very much look forward to celebrating the reward for your patience Mate; I truly hope it is this year at the latest.:salute::