Opinions on Winter Panther (1 Viewer)

[daruss]

Saw a color plate of a German AFV in one of the "OSPREY" books (Battle of Bulge).. It shows the AFV w/whitewash and the green camo showing through a little! If you were doing a dio of late war, maybe the later stages of the battle of the bulge, or early '45 battles on German terriotory, the CS winter wash as is would be perfect!

If someone had their Panther "whitened-up" by special request, could you please post some pictures. I too would like to do this, but it would be helpful to first see how it came out for someone else. Thanks.

 

[Firebat]

Thanks for the info, Battle Scene Productions will be doing our first Collectors Showcase project, and we will make it a Latter Stage Bulge Scene....Thanks ! ! !

Saw a color plate of a German AFV in one of the "OSPREY" books (Battle of Bulge).. It shows the AFV w/whitewash and the green camo showing through a little! If you were doing a dio of late war, maybe the later stages of the battle of the bulge, or early '45 battles on German terriotory, the CS winter wash as is would be perfect!

 

[Alexdakar]

If someone had their Panther "whitened-up" by special request, could you please post some pictures. I too would like to do this, but it would be helpful to first see how it came out for someone else. Thanks.

This is an Hounor Bound tank but it should give you an idea.

 

[kx1a]

Is that one of your custom paint jobs Alex? I don't remember an HB winter panther with that number
Bill W

 

[Alexdakar]

Is that one of your custom paint jobs Alex? I don't remember an HB winter panther with that number
Bill W

Yes it is.

 

[desk11desk12]

Here's Honourd Bound Special Edition Tiger currently being offered by eBay Seller I've used several times in the past.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Honour-Bound-Ge...ViewItemQQptZToy_Soldiers?hash=item414bcaefc8

 

[daruss]

Thanks for the info, Battle Scene Productions will be doing our first Collectors Showcase project, and we will make it a Latter Stage Bulge Scene....Thanks ! ! !

No prob! Let me know when the project is finished.. Just remember, during the last months of the war in Europe, the Germans were low on paint and most other materials... During the last few months the Germans had to do a lot of improvising- it was basically "anything goes"..

 

[Phantom Warrior]

No prob! Let me know when the project is finished.. Just remember, during the last months of the war in Europe, the Germans were low on paint and most other materials... During the last few months the Germans had to do a lot of improvising- it was basically "anything goes"..

In mid-September 1944, tanks were were left in a red primer oxide base coat RAL 8012, with only limited camouflage applied by the factories in Dunkelgelb RAL 7028, Olivgrün RAL 6003 and Rotbraun RAL 8017 in limited amounts. Beginning late December 1944 the base coat became Dunkelgrün RAL 6003, with a hard-edged pattern of Rotbraun RAL 8017 and Dunkelgelb RAL 7028.

Washable white winter camouflage paint was commonly used on the Eastern Front but was often in short supply. Whitewash use was rare on the Western Front. I have several whitewashed German AFVs but all are grouped as Eastern Front displays. None of my Battle of the Bulge German AFVs are whitewashed and of US AFVs, only my M10 is whitewashed (presumeably after the relief of Bastogne in January 1945.)

Terry

 

[fmethorst]

Saw a color plate of a German AFV in one of the "OSPREY" books (Battle of Bulge).. It shows the AFV w/whitewash and the green camo showing through a little! If you were doing a dio of late war, maybe the later stages of the battle of the bulge, or early '45 battles on German terriotory, the CS winter wash as is would be perfect!

Always keep in mind that color plates are an artist's interpretation and not a photograph. The best artwork is based on actual photographs. There is a lot of art out there that seems to be little more than figments of the artists imagination.

I have only come across one whitewashed Panther picture with a caption that placed it in the Bulge. The vehicle is an Ausf.A and no unit identification is possible so I'm skeptical that the caption is correct. Pictures of destroyed and abandoned Panthers after the battle all showed late war factory schemes.

A default position of skeptical is a safe place to start in the study of history.

 

[daruss]

Just because a vehicle came out of the factory a certain color, doesn't mean much.. During the war, especially in the later stages, lots of times camo was applied improptu in the field.. Also, some my not have been whitewashed per se, but sometimes a quick cover of snow was thrown on some vehicles..

 

[fmethorst]

Just because a vehicle came out of the factory a certain color, doesn't mean much.. During the war, especially in the later stages, lots of times camo was applied improptu in the field.. Also, some my not have been whitewashed per se, but sometimes a quick cover of snow was thrown on some vehicles..

The entire point of factory applied camouflage paint schemes which replaced the field applied camouflage paint schemes was to remove that task from the front line units (time, transport, more consistent results, less waste etc.). The factory schemes weren't random either. The excellent title "Duel in the Mist" http://www.rzm.com/books/afv/duel.cfm points out it is possible to identify Panther assembly plants (i.e. M.A.N, M.N.H, Daimler Benz) based on the camouflage patterns, emblem placement etc.

It is certainly possible that later in the offensive whitewashed Panthers did appear. I just haven't seen the photos to support this. The first wave units such as Kampfgruppe "Peiper" don't appear to have ever been camouflaged white.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

The entire point of factory applied camouflage paint schemes which replaced the field applied camouflage paint schemes was to remove that task from the front line units (time, transport, more consistent results, less waste etc.). The factory schemes weren't random either. The excellent title "Duel in the Mist" http://www.rzm.com/books/afv/duel.cfm points out it is possible to identify Panther assembly plants (i.e. M.A.N, M.N.H, Daimler Benz) based on the camouflage patterns, emblem placement etc.

It is certainly possible that later in the offensive whitewashed Panthers did appear. I just haven't seen the photos to support this. The first wave units such as Kampfgruppe "Peiper" don't appear to have ever been camouflaged white.

Just because a vehicle came out of the factory a certain color, doesn't mean much.. During the war, especially in the later stages, lots of times camo was applied improptu in the field.. Also, some my not have been whitewashed per se, but sometimes a quick cover of snow was thrown on some vehicles..

That is true - often a coating of snow or bedsheets were used as camo. And if whitewash was found in the area the Panzers were passing through, it was applied with mops.

But for the most part, Panzers for western Europe were not whitewashed by the factories and the ones bound for Russia were whitewashed with a thin enough coating so that the underlying paint could be seen under close inspection.

Terry

 

[BigEars]

I like this one.I always liked the panther.A realmans tank how much is it in poundsand can I buy it in England?It looks like the real thing.

Thasnk You
BE


SorryI put this message on the wrong post.
Thank you
BE

 

[Warrior]

I like this one.I always liked the panther.A realmans tank how much is it in poundsand can I buy it in England?It looks like the real thing.

Thasnk You
BE


SorryI put this message on the wrong post.
Thank you
BE

Contact the lads at TM Terrain, Mark and David, they will be more than happy to sell you one................