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These do look excellent, i have managed to get a Panzer 38T and want to see how it compares in size with the K & C ones i have. for me it is how the AFVs and Vehicle compare and are they usable with my K & C figures.

How so, as the Trucks and the Recon tank look excellent. Not sure on 'another' Hetzer.
As a fellow hobbyist, I can tell you with confidence that the 38T is every bit as detailed as the JJD one. As for size, I don't own any K&C vehicles, so I can't make a direct comparison or provide photos for reference.
 
Thanks for that rundown of all their products Michael. That is very useful. Had no idea they made a truck!
Breaking down information barriers is what we as hobbyists should be doing. If you're interested, you can contact Arctic Dragon, or you can ask distributors to compare their prices.
 
fyi chris is free shiping after 400.
Agree, i just bought the Paner 38T from him, was $50 postage, but still made it cheap enough and service was really great, it should be here on Friday, according to FedEx, ordered Monday.
 
On top of that, about half of the agent fee is discounted by around 30% from the original price, so the actual price difference could be even higher. If you're wealthy enough, feel free to buy from an agent.
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Buying from an agent/dealer, is not always more expensive, take for example King & Country and/or Warpark, US dealers have the figures/AFVs for the same price as K & C/Warpark have on their website. Manufacturers have a trade price and a retail price.

In the UK we have to often buy directly, as there is not a UK/Europe agent/dealer.

We will have to see if they get an agent/dealer in the US and/or UK/Europe. Or continue just to sell direct. Either way. I think their releases so far have been excellent.

I feel there is another new change/shift in the TS Market. The growth in the Chinese market, collectors that live in China. As this means Chinese manufacturers have a home based market and as it grows it will mean it is profitable to either enter the market. K & C went to to the Chinese Toy collector show and from the evidence Andy put on Treefrog it looked packed and excellent.
 
Agree, i just bought the Paner 38T from him, was $50 postage, but still made it cheap enough and service was really great, it should be here on Friday, according to FedEx, ordered Monday.
The shipping fee from China to the US is only about $100, and with the original $200 price, the total comes to around $300 including shipping. That said, if you have a sufficient budget and like to buy extra services, you can go with an agent.
 
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Buying from an agent/dealer, is not always more expensive, take for example King & Country and/or Warpark, US dealers have the figures/AFVs for the same price as K & C/Warpark have on their website. Manufacturers have a trade price and a retail price.

In the UK we have to often buy directly, as there is not a UK/Europe agent/dealer.

We will have to see if they get an agent/dealer in the US and/or UK/Europe. Or continue just to sell direct. Either way. I think their releases so far have been excellent.

I feel there is another new change/shift in the TS Market. The growth in the Chinese market, collectors that live in China. As this means Chinese manufacturers have a home based market and as it grows it will mean it is profitable to either enter the market. K & C went to to the Chinese Toy collector show and from the evidence Andy put on Treefrog it looked packed and excellent.
The growth of the Chinese market is inevitable. A market of 1.4 billion people has tremendous potential. However, I must tell you that the number of 1:30 scale collectors is only a few hundred people, which is still a very small proportion of the total population. Many Chinese brands started as OEM factories or were founded by collectors themselves. With just a few hundred collectors, it's impossible to guarantee that all of them will survive. This has led to an extremely competitive, or "involutionary," market in China, forcing brands to seek out new markets — namely, the European and American markets. But there’s a major issue with these markets: barriers related to trade, language, and information. This is why agents become necessary. I don’t think agents are unnecessary, but some agents, relying on their customer channels, push down the purchase prices and suppress brands that do not cooperate with them. As we Chinese say, that’s just “bad table manners” (chī xiàng nán kàn). That’s why Chinese brands tend to prefer direct sales — to avoid dealing with such agents.
 
To add a bit more: agents push for lower prices naturally to better serve their own customers, and I think that's completely normal. For example, they might get products at 50% off and then sell to their customer base at 80% or 90% of the retail price. If shipping damage occurs, the agent will ask for a larger discount or financial compensation. From the brand's perspective, dealing with such agents is troublesome, but for the consumer group, that kind of protection is very important. So why hasn't anyone tried to buy directly from the brand while still getting that same level of protection? The reason is actually simple: people just find it too much of a hassle to handle things themselves, and they'd rather pay an agent to do it.
PS:The figures above are not real; any resemblance to actual events is purely coincidental.
 
Of course, there are also collectors who don't like the way agents operate. They contact me directly via email or WeChat and buy the figures they want. So after all this discussion, the choice is entirely up to each individual. I post Arctic Dragon's products only to show everyone their real prices and product range. After all, in a traditional business model, there's no reason for me to specifically promote a competitor's products. But in fact, I am also a collector and can understand everyone's needs — one more option means one more path forward.
 
War Park has already released the Opel, so no brand will be producing it in the Chinese market anytime soon.
How do you know that? FL's Blitz and WPs Blitz sold out completely. Hopefully XH or AD have the bussiness acumen to understand there is an obvious market for this classic iconic item. Ive seen a few dubious releases that have lingered for years unbought. This would not.
 
How do you know that? FL's Blitz and WPs Blitz sold out completely. Hopefully XH or AD have the bussiness acumen to understand there is an obvious market for this classic iconic item. Ive seen a few dubious releases that have lingered for years unbought. This would not.
This judgment is based on current data from the Chinese market. Of course, it doesn't rule out the possibility of a new brand making the Opel. But for now, existing brands are all trying to explore new vehicle subjects — for example, WP's train series. Also, if the demand for the Opel were really that strong, why would AD release a Mercedes first instead of the Opel? Do you really think these brands don't do market research
 
The technology in China's WWII military vehicle market has been continuously innovating. For instance, TankWorkShop has evolved from initially offering 3D-printed vehicles to now featuring CNC-machined metal bodies and chassis. The image below shows their latest Tiger tank.

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As a side note, I mentioned earlier that ancient historical figures are currently popular in the Chinese market — the leading brand in this space is Miniature Kingdom's ancient series. Each of their releases now sells 400 units at minimum. That's why Chinese brands are leaning toward making ancient figures. Below is the new Crusader cavalry that MK will open for pre-order tomorrow. WP is also working on Song Dynasty Chinese infantry, Romans, and Napoleonic figures. This further shows that the WWII market isn't as strong as it used to be, so some vehicles you assume have huge demand might not actually be in such high demand.30971.jpeg
 
A bit more off-topic: The products from TankWorkShop and Miniature Kingdom are both on a pre-order system. This system is very common in China, but quite unfamiliar to Western players. If any of you want to buy from these brands, you either have to contact the brands directly or go through an agent for a proxy purchase. But here's the question: would an agent be willing to pay the pre-order deposit for you upfront? Or would you pay the full amount to the agent first for their service? That's the issue.
 
This judgment is based on current data from the Chinese market. Of course, it doesn't rule out the possibility of a new brand making the Opel. But for now, existing brands are all trying to explore new vehicle subjects — for example, WP's train series. Also, if the demand for the Opel were really that strong, why would AD release a Mercedes first instead of the Opel? Do you really think these brands don't do market research

Not doubting that these companies do market research. I’d be surprised if they didn’t. What I’m less clear on is what “current data from the Chinese market” actually means here, or what sales figures any of us are truly privy to. You’ve also mentioned elsewhere that there may only be a very small number of serious collectors in this niche (circa 100? ), and that WWII collecting is apparently in decline... If that’s the case, I’m not sure how broad or conclusive this data can really be.

WP, for example, still has quite a few various tanks sitting available. So market research clearly doesn’t turn every release into a bullseye. There is also a section of the collecting community that tends to buy from particular companies because of style, sculpting, painting and finish. So wether one company has, or has not, released a subject doesn’t necessarily prove total market demand either way.

The Opel Blitz is the obvious (dogballs in a salad) softskin subject because it is iconic, widely used, and previous examples from FL and WP appear to have sold through strongly. But even putting the Opel aside, there are other German truck subjects that would be sought and interesting. The Büssing-NAG 4500, for example, was a heavy German truck used for troop transport, supply and general logistics across several fronts. It has size, presence and variety, which makes it a strong display vehicle for Eastern Front, Normandy, Italy or late-war convoy scenes.

Ford V3000 is another strong candidate. German-built Ford trucks were widely used by the Wehrmacht and appeared in many theatres, including the EF.

My understanding of Chinese market research is that it often works less like Western-style surveys and more like watching the market, listening to chatter, studying demand signals and seeing what gains traction. So who knows perhaps someone from one of these companies is already reading this forum.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing what items are next.
 
Not doubting that these companies do market research. I’d be surprised if they didn’t. What I’m less clear on is what “current data from the Chinese market” actually means here, or what sales figures any of us are truly privy to. You’ve also mentioned elsewhere that there may only be a very small number of serious collectors in this niche (circa 100? ), and that WWII collecting is apparently in decline... If that’s the case, I’m not sure how broad or conclusive this data can really be.

WP, for example, still has quite a few various tanks sitting available. So market research clearly doesn’t turn every release into a bullseye. There is also a section of the collecting community that tends to buy from particular companies because of style, sculpting, painting and finish. So wether one company has, or has not, released a subject doesn’t necessarily prove total market demand either way.

The Opel Blitz is the obvious (dogballs in a salad) softskin subject because it is iconic, widely used, and previous examples from FL and WP appear to have sold through strongly. But even putting the Opel aside, there are other German truck subjects that would be sought and interesting. The Büssing-NAG 4500, for example, was a heavy German truck used for troop transport, supply and general logistics across several fronts. It has size, presence and variety, which makes it a strong display vehicle for Eastern Front, Normandy, Italy or late-war convoy scenes.

Ford V3000 is another strong candidate. German-built Ford trucks were widely used by the Wehrmacht and appeared in many theatres, including the EF.

My understanding of Chinese market research is that it often works less like Western-style surveys and more like watching the market, listening to chatter, studying demand signals and seeing what gains traction. So who knows perhaps someone from one of these companies is already reading this forum.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing what items are next.
Aren't we having this discussion now precisely so they can see it? But of course, they'll still have to decide what to make based on their own circumstances. What players might want—$250, all-metal construction, FL-level paintwork—is clearly not realistic.
 
Yes, the Tank Workshop seem to have moved to all metal now. I recall seeing a metal IS2 as well but cant find the photo now.
They make quite a few in metal;
 

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Here’s the IS-2 image you asked for. Its suspension is plastic, not the newer metal type.
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