Packaging Issues - Post from Andy (1 Viewer)

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Hi Guys,

I just got back to Hong Kong yesterday from the UK and would like to address several of the important points raised by comments on the Forum about some of our packaging methods.

1. Every item K&C designs and produces is packaged in, what we hope, is the best and safest way to get from China to Hong Kong to dealers all over the world and then from those dealers to their individual customers.

2. We carefully look at each item and consider what method of packaging we believe to be the best way to safeguard that particular piece or pieces in order that the final end user may get their product in perfect condition.

3. Unfortunately I know of no company (K&C included) who can positively, definitely, guarantee 100% that no item will ever, ever arrive in less than perfect condition. Shipping…airfreight…postal…even dealer handling has a human element…and humans can sometimes get careless.

That’s why we try as much as humanly possible to package items carefully.

An item such as the new WS Motorcycle Combo is a heavy metal object and has to be adequately secured in order not to move in transit. Why do you think big companies like “21Century” and “Forces of Valor” use plastic lined metal ties to hold their product in safely? Obviously, this method does not suit every collector, especially those who want to “resecure” an item. But, and this is important, it suits by far the majority, who get their products safely and want to put it out on display immediately and enjoy it there and then.

4. Cost Savings. I can assure my friend Louis Badolato and others that when K&C looks to make reductions in our costs in order that we can continue to keep our prices reasonable for collectors the one area that we actually spend more on is …packaging.

Surely most K&C collectors must see the improvements and developments of K&C’s efforts in this department over the past few years.

5. Damages

From our experience over the recent past the amount of damages and “returns” to K&C is a fraction of what it was in earlier times. And this at the same time as our production has doubled…trebled and quadrupled.

K&C has always had a very simple, straight forward policy on items damaged in transit.

a) If a K&C dealer receives damaged goods simply email or send a photo of the damages to us and we will replace that item at our cost.

b) If an individual customer who has bought an item directly from K&C has damages exactly the same rule applies.

c) Even if a dealer’s customer receives a damaged item we will provide a free replacement to that dealer providing photo evidence is supplied.

6. Finally, if there were an avalanche or even a steady trickle of K&C damages being returned to dealers we would be told in no uncertain fashion by the vast majority of these same dealers. Most of our dealers know they can call me…email me…fax me…or even send a carrier pigeon and I or any of our great team here will reply virtually immediately.

I’m amazed, surprised and a little confused why Bill Sager chose not to send me his problem cases. We even met personally at Louis’ Symposium in March and he mentioned nothing to me there.

Regretfully, I am sure that there are some members of this Forum who cannot or will not accept any explanation of K&C’s reasons or decisions why we do what we do. However, to the majority of K&C collectors we will continue to strive and search for the best and safest way to get our items to your collections in the best possible condition. That is my pledge.

Best wishes to one and all…sincerely,

Andy C. Neilson
 
Andy, I'm sorry if I read the packaging issue wrong. I know the outside of the boxes look fantastic in comparison to the plain green boxes of the past, but I assumed the ties were a means of saving money. Whatever the reason, it seems that, in the case of the motorcycle combo, the ties are damaging the paint. I know that you and the rest of the K&C family are great about replacing or repairing damaged items. I have personally sent a couple of rare older pieces back to you and you were kind enough to repair them for me even though I bought them through the secondary market. So keep up the good work!

P.S. What about the track issue?
 
Dear Andy

Thank you for taking the trouble to reply. Hope we didn't ruin your holiday. I started this thread because I prefer the old foam, and thought others might from what I had read here, but I also tried to put across the good points about it as well.

Please do not take any of this as criticism of you or the company, the shipping problems for this kind of product are obvious, but I for one would like to see a return to the older method - or something as good that also caters for putting the pieces back in the box, which is where I store most.

This is having an impact although we may get used to it - I have not even opened the AK105mm gun yet until I have worked out what to do with it next.

Best wishes,

Kevin
 
I,ve talked to a couple of dealers about damaged K&C and they told me that they had to pay the shipping to return the figures or sets back to hong kong and that it was not worth the trouble so they would just sell the damaged pieces at cost or a loss just to avoid the hastle and i,m sure most dealers feel the same and that may be why andy has not seen many pieces returned but now with his new statement of just a picture is all that is needed and he will reship at cost, he,ll get a better feel for the damages that are happening. I was told about certain figures that were high on the damage list like one of the early napoleonic flag bearer and a few others figures that were high risk to arrive broken and that it was not worth the time or money to return them, that it was cheaper and easier to sell them broken at cost.
 
I speak for only myself and no others.

Thank you Andy for your honest response expresssing your view point.

I understand your arguments and I want you to understand that I am still willing to pay a bit more for better boxes and packing materials. Bubble packs and twist ties are not attractive to me. Perhaps others are of this opinion this as well. I understand the increasing cost of production and that the consumer must pay for such increases if the manufacturer is to make a reasonable profit.

The black foam (Britains style) that has a more solid consistancy to it, compared to the white stuff that turns to little balls when you touch it, is my preferred packaging material.

Will I stop purchasing K&C unless the packaging changes, infact I will not. I will however pay much more attention to unpacking my figures and vehicles than I have in the past and I will make my own repackaging material for future stowage by me.

I am in the process of doing this with my Del Prado Napoleonic Cavalry figures. I have found a supplier of appropriately sized boxes and foam material through an office supply catalog. I have over 200 figures and this process will cost approximately $1.76 per figure. I believe it to be worth it for keeping my collection in ship shape.

An additional thought that I had while typing this was, "the customer is always right."
 
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WOW, I hope K & C don't follow the FOV and 21st Century examples to closely :)

I do like most of the FOV stuff but their packaging is terrible and the most enjoyable part for me is jumping on their stupid boxes (and inner boxes, and twist ties, and tape, screws etc), then throwing it all in the trash. Which of course is not something I would recommend doing with K & C boxes if you intend to resell the pieces at some time :)

It's pleasing to note that K & C do accept returns. However considering the large weight of most of their polystone pieces the return freight charges would preclude this, especially for overseas buyers. The new packaging is clearly impacting on buyers enjoyment and it seems to be a significant issue, perhaps even larger than the great track debate of 2005/6 :)

I have got used to the clear vacuum formed packing, but the wire ties have got to go imo, or at least use some more foam to protect the piece from wire tie damage.
 
Boy I have to admit you members don't miss a trick, but I am glad you keep everyone on their toes and express your honest feelings about various matters....Good for you.....And I am very proud of hard core K&C crowd addressing issues without Bias..... I have kind of regressed into laying back and watching for a while, and use the time not spent on the Forum to dream up new dioramas.......... Alex
 
I think that we are never gonig to reach a decision on the packaging issue...
I agree with the majority of people who dont like the bubble packaging but feel it was the right choice of packaging for the wss motorbike... I have received items in the past including the Lah motorbike and found that the foam packaging that most people prefer had bent the handle bars on the bike and also this has happened on various napoleonic pieces mainly their plumes on the hats and the bayonets on their rifles... So to sum up and stop waffeling on if anyone has any good ideas on what to pack the stuff in let the dealers know (who knows you might make money out of your idea)


Happy collecting!!!!!:)
 
The models they make are great. Isn't that what's important?
I take'em if Andy was shipping them in a worm bucket, as long as the majority of the time they arrive in sound condition. Usually they do.
 
sceic2 said:
I speak for only myself and no others.

Thank you Andy for your honest response expresssing your view point.

I understand your arguments and I want you to understand that I am still willing to pay a bit more for better boxes and packing materials. Bubble packs and twist ties are not attractive to me. Perhaps others are of this opinion this as well. I understand the increasing cost of production and that the consumer must pay for such increases if the manufacturer is to make a reasonable profit.

The black foam (Britains style) that has a more solid consistancy to it, compared to the white stuff that turns to little balls when you touch it, is my preferred packaging material.

Will I stop purchasing K&C unless the packaging changes, infact I will not. I will however pay much more attention to unpacking my figures and vehicles than I have in the past and I will make my own repackaging material for future stowage by me.

I am in the process of doing this with my Del Prado Napoleonic Cavalry figures. I have found a supplier of appropriately sized boxes and foam material through an office supply catalog. I have over 200 figures and this process will cost approximately $1.76 per figure. I believe it to be worth it for keeping my collection in ship shape.

An additional thought that I had while typing this was, "the customer is always right."

Please post the name/website of such office supply store, I have been searching for suitable foam/boxes for some time..Thanks
 
Showman said:
Please post the name/website of such office supply store, I have been searching for suitable foam/boxes for some time..Thanks

To replace the worm buckets no doubt, don't forget to order some wire ties while you're at it.:D

Fred
 

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