Paul Marin? (1 Viewer)

[Combat]

I was just reading John Ross' excellent book on Robert Rogers - "War on the Run". When he briefly discusses the Monongahela battle he attributes the French success to Paul Marin "a French Canadian partisan and wood fighter." I've read a good deal about the battle but don't recall much discussion of any Marin. Is Ross mistaking Marin for Dumas? This is on page 80 if anyone has the book. I did an Internet search on Marin and came up with nothing. There is one mention of a Capt. Marin in the Osprey book.

 

[marco55]

Joseph Marin de la Malgue was a seasoned Marine who fought in France's wars from the 1730's through the French-Indian War.His military lineage went back to the arrival of the Carignan-Salieres Regt. in 1665. He was an interperter,fur trader and explorer also.Combat There is a series of books by Bob Bearor called Leading By Example which tell about many leading Canadien colonial officers. Check out www.wennawoods.com as I believe they have them for about $10 each.In the chapter on him that I have it doesn't have anything about him at the Battle of Monongahela.I'm also getting ready to start War on the Run.Have you read White Devil?That was pretty good too.
Mark
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[marco55]

Combat.I just checked and Wennawoods doesn't have them anymore but Amazon does but they are between $15 and $25 for each volume.
Mark

 

[Marquis de Montcalm]

In 1753, Pierre Paul Marin de la Malgue established Fort Presque Isle (Lake Erie), Fort Le Bouef (Waterford, Pennsylvania), and Fort Duquesne (Pittsburg). In this expedition his force of 1600 men, attempting to secure the Ohio valley for France, suffered nearly 50% casualties. He was one of these casualties, dying at Fort de la Riviere au Boeuf in June, 1753. The clash a few months later between his successor and Major George Washington marked the beginning of the French and Indian War.

 

[marco55]

I'm sorry Combat but I was referring to his son.I got them mixed up,The Marquis is quite right.There were many members of the same family in the marines
Mark

 

[Combat]

I'm sorry Combat but I was referring to his son.I got them mixed up,The Marquis is quite right.There were many members of the same family in the marines
Mark

Thanks for all the info. Do we know if there was a Paul Marin at Monongahela as the Ross book suggests?

 

[marco55]

As the Marquis said Paul died in 1753.I have seen nothing that says Joseph was there.If there was another son named Paul I haven't seen anything on it.The records are very incomplete, recording what french officers were at which battle.As I said in some families there might be the father and 6 or 7 sons all serving at the same time with similar names.It can be rather confusing at times.
Mark

 

[Combat]

As the Marquis said Paul died in 1753.I have seen nothing that says Joseph was there.If there was another son named Paul I haven't seen anything on it.The records are very incomplete, recording what french officers were at which battle.As I said in some families there might be the father and 6 or 7 sons all serving at the same time with similar names.It can be rather confusing at times.
Mark

I'm starting to believe Ross may have mistaken Marin for Dumas. The book indicates Marin was the senior member of the French forces at Monongahela after the death of its commander (presumably he means Beaujeu). Strange that he mentions Marin by name but none of the other French at that battle. If it is an error it is unfortunate since this is otherwise a very well written book. Not a big deal in itself as the battle takes up only one paragraph, but it does call into question how someone can write such a detailed book on the French Indian war and make such an obvious mistake.

 

[marco55]

Some say it was Charles-Michel Langlade who actually took over command but he being a "metis" might have someting to do with not getting credit for the victory.He was one of the top Canadien officers and commanded the indian contingents ably.
Mark

 

[Combat]

Some say it was Charles-Michel Langlade who actually took over command but he being a "metis" might have someting to do with not getting credit for the victory.He was one of the top Canadien officers and commanded the indian contingents ably.
Mark

I have also read that the Indians simply took the initiative to surround the Brits on both sides. No one exactly ordered it. It was just their preferred manner of fighting.

 

[mk26gmls]

Combat,

I didn't remember the name Paul Marin from my reading. I just scanned Kopperman's book, "Braddock on the Monongahela" and found no mention of him.

It was my understanding that the Indians took it upon themselves to run down the flanks of the British column when Beaujeu was killed.

Darrell

 

[marco55]

On pg.85 of War on the Run.Good book reads fast but The Paul Marin at Monongahela subject on pg.80 very glaring error.
Mark