Pontiac's War/Rebellion 1763 (1 Viewer)

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Yesterday I watched the movie "The Unconqured" starring Gary Cooper - a movie set during the indian rebellion of 1763 popularly known as Pontiac's War.

This morning I have been reading about this conflict. I have realized that some of the JJD FIW figures could easily be used to depict this war, especially the Virginia Provencial Regiment sets, the civilian sets, the artillery set, the blockhouse and soon to be released stockade, and all of the woodland indian sets.

I have found this brief conflict fascinating. It is considered the first extensive multitribal resistance to European colonization in America. Many historians consider it unprecedented for its awful violence since both sides seemed to be intoxicated with genocidal fanaticism. Some consider it a conflict of ethnic cleansing.

The Great Lake tribes of the Seneca, Ottawa, Ojibwas, Hurons, and Potawatamis, along with the Ohio country tribes of the Mingo, Delaware, Miamis, Shawnees, and Wyandots united their efforts to try to drive the British colonists and army from the lands ceded by the French. In 1763 they were successful in destroying 8 British Forts. These forts were poorly manned, often garrisoned by only 9-30 men. Some forts were nothing more than a blockhouse such as Fort Sandusky on the shores of Lake Erie with a 9-man garrison. Most were stockaded forts, but still the garrisons were very small.

The British manned these outposts with troops such as the 80th Regiment of Light Armed Foot which was made up of many Roger's Rangers veterans. The Virginia Provencial Regiment was also used heavily. All the units were still uniformed as during the French & Indian War.

The British at Fort Pitt even tried using biological warfare (blankets contaminated with small pox) against the unified indians.

Anyway - interesting stuff and another venue for using JJD figures. If interested, start your web search using Wikipedia - it has a great synopsis of the uprising/rebellion.

Mike
 
Hi Mike

Ironically I'm also reading a book on this topic shown below. It examines the impact of the signing of the Peace of Paris in 1763 on all the inhabitants of North America and the insurgency and counter-insurgency that rose up in response to it. You are right about the racism and genocidal perspective. It is considered a pivotal moment in US history-one that tend's to get left out in the US educational system. The Jenkins figures would work to portray this conflict. The book's cover is by Robert Griffing who specializes in art works related to the FIW.
Randy
 

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'the unconquered' is one of my favorite movies. hopefully one day it will come out in DVD. also have the book and this is one time i feel that the movie is better than the book.... the movie is one of john jenkins favorites, he use to mention it on his website...
 
'the unconquered' is one of my favorite movies. hopefully one day it will come out in DVD. also have the book and this is one time i feel that the movie is better than the book.... the movie is one of john jenkins favorites, he use to mention it on his website...

I just got my copy of this movie from Amazon.Com in DVD format. With it I also got the movies Drums Along the Mohawk (Henry Fonda) and When the Forests Ran Red (PBS documentary Braddocks Defeat), both of these also in DVD format.

Mike
 
The British used alot of Highlander troops duirng this uprising like the 42nd Black Watch. JJD's Fraser Highlander sets would work well for this. The Highlanders and other "light" regiments helped to prevent the woodland indians from destroying Fort Detroit and Fort Pitt in 1763.
 
I just got my copy of this movie from Amazon.Com in DVD format. With it I also got the movies Drums Along the Mohawk (Henry Fonda) and When the Forests Ran Red (PBS documentary Braddocks Defeat), both of these also in DVD format.

Mike

Although Drums Along the Mohawk is set in the AWI it has loads of scenes and motifs relevant to the FIW It even shows corn and wheatfields that could be replicated using some of Britains recent scenic accessories along with the JJ's blockhouse/stockade.

Randy
 
The British used alot of Highlander troops duirng this uprising like the 42nd Black Watch. JJD's Fraser Highlander sets would work well for this. The Highlanders and other "light" regiments helped to prevent the woodland indians from destroying Fort Detroit and Fort Pitt in 1763.

I don't believe the Frasers were involved in Pontiac's Rebellion. The uniforms with leather pockets on their jackets were I believe very specific to the 78th, so they could not substitute for other Highland regiments. Here is what the history of the Frasers says about their post FIW activity:

" Between 1760 and 1763, the 78th Regiment served in garrison locations in Montreal, Quebec, and Nova Scotia. A detachment formed part of Colonel William Amherst's force that recaptured St. John's in Scptember 1762.

In December 1763, Fraser's Highlanders were ordered to disband in Quebec. Land grants were offered to those who chose to stay in Canada, and many officers and men remained to help build the country they had come to conquer."

Frontline's 42nd Highlanders are compatible in size with John's other figures, if that helps.

Randy
 
I don't believe the Frasers were involved in Pontiac's Rebellion. The uniforms with leather pockets on their jackets were I believe very specific to the 78th, so they could not substitute for other Highland regiments. Here is what the history of the Frasers says about their post FIW activity:

" Between 1760 and 1763, the 78th Regiment served in garrison locations in Montreal, Quebec, and Nova Scotia. A detachment formed part of Colonel William Amherst's force that recaptured St. John's in Scptember 1762.

In December 1763, Fraser's Highlanders were ordered to disband in Quebec. Land grants were offered to those who chose to stay in Canada, and many officers and men remained to help build the country they had come to conquer."

Frontline's 42nd Highlanders are compatible in size with John's other figures, if that helps.

Randy

I totally agree with your points on Fraser's Highlanders not being involved in Pontiac's Rebellion. I was only suggesting that since JJD did not have any
42nd regmt sets perhaps the Fraser set could be used with a little imagination to "represent" the 42nd. However, I hadn't considered the use of the Frontline 42nd sets - great observation on your part. I am not really familiar with Frontline sets - will have to remedy this.

As a side note, from what I understand so far, the British mainly used 3 regiments in America after the FIW; the 42nd, the 77th, and the 60th Royal Americans. These were the primary combat troops during the 1763 indian uprising, ie Fort Pitt, Fort Detroit, et al. The 80th Light Armed Regiment of Foot also saw service near Niagara.

Mike
 
Mike

Britains has 2 figures of the 60th but they are 52mm (see below--1st pix)

And here are examples of the 2 types of Frontline 42nd figures.

Hope these help.

Randy
 

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mike. thanks for the update on 'the unconquered' on dvd... just ordered it from amazon...... andy
 
Mike

Britains has 2 figures of the 60th but they are 52mm (see below--1st pix)

And here are examples of the 2 types of Frontline 42nd figures.

Hope these help.

Randy

Very helpful indeed. I like the "bonnie bonnets" on the figures firing and loading - just like the ones used in the movie The Unconquered.
Thanks.

Mike
 
Mike:

I just ordered Unconquered and When the Forest went Red on my Netflix subscription. Many thanks for the tip. Do you have the PBS series called The War that made America based on Fred Anderson's book on the FIW? It is still available I believe.

here is the link to the Frontine Highlanders:

http://www.frontline-figures.com/french-indian/index.html

and below is a diorama I did using Frontline FIW

If you decide to order any of the Frontline I know a great source which I will happily pass on to you.

Randy



Randy
 

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Mike and Randy: Thanks for information and photos on Fort Detroit and Pontiacs' rebellion. Here is a little report about Pontiac and the fort. John
 

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Mike:

I just ordered Unconquered and When the Forest went Red on my Netflix subscription. Many thanks for the tip. Do you have the PBS series called The War that made America based on Fred Anderson's book on the FIW? It is still available I believe.

here is the link to the Frontine Highlanders:

http://www.frontline-figures.com/french-indian/index.html

and below is a diorama I did using Frontline FIW

If you decide to order any of the Frontline I know a great source which I will happily pass on to you.

Randy



Randy

There is a companion DVD to the When the Forrest Ran Red.It's called George Washington's First War.There's another movie called Battle of the Brave That's not too bad.It's from the French-Canadian perspective.
 
Thank you John and Mark,

This really is the "information superhighway".


Randy

p.s. Netflix has the Battle of the Brave which i just added to my list. But not the Washington DVD. Amazon has that and the ratings are very high.
 
I totally agree with your points on Fraser's Highlanders not being involved in Pontiac's Rebellion. I was only suggesting that since JJD did not have any
42nd regmt sets perhaps the Fraser set could be used with a little imagination to "represent" the 42nd. However, I hadn't considered the use of the Frontline 42nd sets - great observation on your part. I am not really familiar with Frontline sets - will have to remedy this.

As a side note, from what I understand so far, the British mainly used 3 regiments in America after the FIW; the 42nd, the 77th, and the 60th Royal Americans. These were the primary combat troops during the 1763 indian uprising, ie Fort Pitt, Fort Detroit, et al. The 80th Light Armed Regiment of Foot also saw service near Niagara.

Mike

Here are some pictures I took have a comparison of Frontline and JJ figures.
 

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And some more.
 

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Nice comparison between Frontline and JJ figure size. Nice pictures Konrad. John Here is a little summary of Fort Detroit. John

Here is a roster of soldiers being discharged for various reasons at Fort Detroit and their replacements. Royal American troops. J
 

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Outline of Pontiac's rebellion. J
 

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