Remake of The Magnificent Seven with Denzel etc (1 Viewer)

Jack said:
'Better' always depends on what criteria you are using but I think objectively it would be safe to say that TTRL it is a more intelligent film.
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Hmmmmm. I'm okay with "better" being subjective. However, not so sure about the latter part of your statement.

"......I think objectively......."?????

If they are your thoughts - then have to be from your point of view - so have to be value judgements - and therefore, subjective, surely?

And - how can a film be "more inteligent" Jack? :confused:

A film, is a film, is a film. It's a record of what some people thought valuable enough to put on record.

Lastly, the two films mentioned may, or may not, be more - or less, thought provoking - depending on the viewer's tastes and preferences?

As an example - I personally wouldn't like a straight re-hash of TM7 - with different actors playing the same old parts - and using the same old dialogue of the original (??? well - you know whatI mean - the original was in Japanese, after all!)^&grin

I'd prefer TM7 done as a whacky, send-up Musical - with the score done by (say) Randy Newman - opening with the Mexican Bandito and crew rolling into the village - and their leader Calvera ( originally played so superbly by Eli Wallach), singing "You Got A friend in Me" - whilst poking the village leaders with his six-shooter. {sm2}

At some point in the new film - I'd like to see the well known about animosity between Yul Brynner and Steve McQueen being highlighted. I've read that although there was only half an inch difference in height between them - Bryner would have a small mound of earth raised for him to stand on - whilst he acted opposite McQueen. McQeen got wind of it - and kicked the dirt away - before the cameras rolled!!

How about whilst they are speaking, Randy Newman sings "Short People"?{eek3}

I think the film could be a real hoot, done that way - and so different to the TM7 version

But then - that's just me - and the way I see things, sometimes ..... subjectively. Perhaps not everyone's cup of beverage?{sm4} jb
 
lancer said:
I know well the feeling. To become a reviled figure amongst my acquaintances all I have to do is state that The Thin Red Line is a better war movie than Saving Private Ryan...cue the end of the world. -- Al
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Armageddon has arrived ! Where are Ben Affleck and Bruce Willis in our time of need ^&grin
 
Instead of remaking things that don't need to be remade there are tons of Ideas out there.A new movie coming out actually looks pretty good if unusual.It is called Bone Tomahawk.It is a wesrtern starring Kurt Russell.it is about 4 men hunting for something that took captives but I don't think it's indians. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZbwtHi-KSE
Mark
 
johnnybach said:
Hmmmmm. I'm okay with "better" being subjective. However, not so sure about the latter part of your statement.

"......I think objectively......."?????

If they are your thoughts - then have to be from your point of view - so have to be value judgements - and therefore, subjective, surely?

And - how can a film be "more inteligent" Jack? :confused:

A film, is a film, is a film. It's a record of what some people thought valuable enough to put on record.

Lastly, the two films mentioned may, or may not, be more - or less, thought provoking - depending on the viewer's tastes and preferences?

As an example - I personally wouldn't like a straight re-hash of TM7 - with different actors playing the same old parts - and using the same old dialogue of the original (??? well - you know whatI mean - the original was in Japanese, after all!)^&grin

I'd prefer TM7 done as a whacky, send-up Musical - with the score done by (say) Randy Newman - opening with the Mexican Bandito and crew rolling into the village - and their leader Calvera ( originally played so superbly by Eli Wallach), singing "You Got A friend in Me" - whilst poking the village leaders with his six-shooter. {sm2}

At some point in the new film - I'd like to see the well known about animosity between Yul Brynner and Steve McQueen being highlighted. I've read that although there was only half an inch difference in height between them - Bryner would have a small mound of earth raised for him to stand on - whilst he acted opposite McQueen. McQeen got wind of it - and kicked the dirt away - before the cameras rolled!!

How about whilst they are speaking, Randy Newman sings "Short People"?{eek3}

I think the film could be a real hoot, done that way - and so different to the TM7 version

But then - that's just me - and the way I see things, sometimes ..... subjectively. Perhaps not everyone's cup of beverage?{sm4} jb
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Johnny

By intelligent, I mean that it attempts to be more than just a war movie. I hope that it does not sound pretentious, but I feel that TTRL had loftier ambitions than SPR which is, at least to my subjective eye, little different from a 1950s flag waver. There was an attempt in TTRL to make a great movie (it does not get there) whereas SPR tread some pretty well worn ground. It is a slick production and that first 15 minutes is gut wrenching but the story itself does not live up to the production values. In short, SPR 'looks' a great movie but is actually only a reasonably solid/good one. It was a flag waver (literally in the final scene) that had a surface run at the issues whereas TTRL tried a little harder, particularly with the way it used the jungle environment.

Just to also address your earlier comments about subjectivity, I am completely without bias. My opinions are expressions of objective truths. That, and my humility, is what my friends love about me!{sm4}

I have read many film reviews by Roger Ebert and I always liked the way he judged movies on what they attempted rather than passing judgement on the movie that could have been made. I have not extended that courtesy to SPR but there you have it!

Thanks for the chat

Jack
 
Jack said:
Johnny

By intelligent, I mean that it attempts to be more than just a war movie. I hope that it does not sound pretentious, but I feel that TTRL had loftier ambitions than SPR which is, at least to my subjective eye, little different from a 1950s flag waver. There was an attempt in TTRL to make a great movie (it does not get there) whereas SPR tread some pretty well worn ground. It is a slick production and that first 15 minutes is gut wrenching but the story itself does not live up to the production values. In short, SPR 'looks' a great movie but is actually only a reasonably solid/good one. It was a flag waver (literally in the final scene) that had a surface run at the issues whereas TTRL tried a little harder, particularly with the way it used the jungle environment.

Just to also address your earlier comments about subjectivity, I am completely without bias. My opinions are expressions of objective truths. That, and my humility, is what my friends love about me!{sm4}

I have read many film reviews by Roger Ebert and I always liked the way he judged movies on what they attempted rather than passing judgement on the movie that could have been made. I have not extended that courtesy to SPR but there you have it!

Thanks for the chat

Jack
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Well.............Okay then - jb;)
 
theBaron said:
If they need to remake a movie, remake "Midway", without the fictional crap, and with good special effects. There's an epic tale that hasn't been told properly on the silver screen.

Prost!
Brad
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I seem to recall this movie shared a well-known actor with the original "original" - The Seven Samurai - now that's a great movie :salute::
 
Well you can tell just from the trailer it won't be a patch on the original...another bad idea from Hollywood!
Wayne.
 
Ragnar said:
Looks like a fake trailer....there are plenty of those on youtube!
There are people out there with nothing to do with there time but piece together fake trailers.
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fake trailers...

for real...

I did not know that...

that explains that Brett...

how deceiving...

I like Denzel and Hawke...

they were both great in Training Day...

hope I was fooled...

and this is a fake...
 
My thought was it was perhaps a trailer for a TV series (ie. because of Ron Perlman). Just Googled and lo and behold it was a TV series from 1998/2000 ! There were 22 episodes.

Must have been very forgettable as nobody seems to have watched it and I have never heard of it.

Bone Tomahawk classified as a Horror Western which takes it off my list as I scare easily{eek3}
 
Fitzgibbon said:
I seem to recall this movie shared a well-known actor with the original "original" - The Seven Samurai - now that's a great movie :salute::
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Voiced by veteran voice actor Paul Frees, who voiced Burgermeister Meisterburger and his sidekick Grimsby in "Santa Claus is Comin' to Town", as well as voicing Ambassador Nomura in "Tora! Tora! Tora!"

"Seven Samurai" also featured Shimura Takashi, who is better known to Western audiences as Professor Yamane in "Godzilla" ("Gojira")

Prost!
Brad
 
theBaron said:
Voiced by veteran voice actor Paul Frees, who voiced Burgermeister Meisterburger and his sidekick Grimsby in "Santa Claus is Comin' to Town", as well as voicing Ambassador Nomura in "Tora! Tora! Tora!"

"Seven Samurai" also featured Shimura Takashi, who is better known to Western audiences as Professor Yamane in "Godzilla" ("Gojira")

Prost!
Brad
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And the master swordsman Toshiro Mifune if memory serves.
 
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