Remembrance Day, Drunks Pick a Fight to Remember against 2 GC's,1 SAS VC (1 Viewer)

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Great Story which I heard on radio today and looked up.

TWO drunken yobs tried to start a fight with three strangers - who turned out to be the military's most decorated hard men.

The thugs, who had a Staffordshire bull terrier with them, got a surprise comeuppance after hurling abuse at the smartly-suited trio in a street. They had no idea their intended "victims" were a hero Royal Marine, an Army captain and an Australian VC-winning SAS hero.

The louts pushed and shoved the three men, attempting to provoke them into a punch-up. After ignoring polite advice to "walk away" they suddenly found themselves on their backs while their vicious-looking dog fled yelping.

L/Cpl Matt Croucher, 26, and Captain Peter Norton, 47, both George Cross winners, were walking through central London with Aussie Cpl Mark Donaldson, 31, after a reception at Buckingham Palace. Though they were in civilian clothes they were wearing their medals on their chests.

A witness to the incident said: "It was a case of yobs picking on the wrong people. "After they ended up on the ground the guys just calmly adjusted their suits and walked off."

Background info on their medal awards as follows :

Croucher :
Was recommended for the award for throwing himself on a Taliban tripwire grenade to save his comrades. He was part of a recon mission near on 9 February 2008. Moving through a compound at night he felt a trip wire against his leg and saw that he had activated a grenade. He threw himself to the ground, and used his rucksack to pin the grenade to the floor, and tucked his legs up to his body. He was thrown some distance by the explosion, but due to the protection offered by his rucksack and body-armour, suffered only a nose-bleed and some disorientation. The pack was ripped from his back by the explosion, and his body armour and helmet were pitted by grenade fragments. Of the other three members of his patrol, the rear man managed to take cover by retreating round the corner of a building; the patrol commander threw himself to ground, and received a superficial face wound from a grenade fragment; and the final team member did not have time to react, and remained on his feet, and would have been within the lethal range of the grenade but for Croucher's action. The explosion breached a large lithium battery which was in Croucher's pack causing it to burst into flames. A medic recommended that he be evacuated, but he insisted on continuing as the members of the patrol realised that Taliban fighters would probably come to investigate the explosion, and this would give the marines the opportunity to ambush them.

Croucher was initially put forward for the VC the highest decoration for valour. The George Cross is awarded for the same level of bravery expected of a VC but is awarded when no enemy is present.

Norton :

At at the time, he was second in command of the American Combined Explosives Exploitation Cell (CEXC) based in the outskirts of Bahgdad. Going to the aid of a US army patrol that had been attacked by an IED on 24 July 2005, he was checking for the presence of further devices when a secondary victim-operated IED exploded. He lost his left leg and part of his left arm, and he sustained serious injuries to his other leg and lower back. Despite his injuries, he continued to give instructions to his team, suspecting that further devices might be in the vicinity. He refused to be evacuated until he was certain that all personnel on the ground were aware of the danger. A third device was subsequently located and dealt with the following day.
Since his team contained two special agents of the FBI Norton was also awarded the FBI Star on 27 March 2009.

Donaldson VC :

On 2 September 2008, during the conduct of a fighting patrol, Trooper Donaldson was travelling in a combined Afghan, US and Australian vehicle convoy that was engaged by a numerically superior, entrenched and coordinated enemy ambush. The ambush was initiated by a high volume of sustained machine gun fire coupled with the effective use of rocket propelled grenades. Such was the effect of the initiation that the combined patrol suffered numerous casualties, completely lost the initiative and became immediately suppressed. It was over two hours before the convoy was able to establish a clean break and move to an area free of enemy fire.

In the early stages of the ambush, Trooper Donaldson reacted spontaneously to regain the initiative. He moved rapidly between alternate positions of cover engaging the enemy with 66mm and 84mm anti-armour weapons as well as his M4 rifle. During an early stage of the enemy ambush, he deliberately exposed himself to enemy fire in order to draw attention to himself and thus away from wounded soldiers. This selfless act alone bought enough time for those wounded to be moved to relative safety.

As the enemy had employed the tactic of a rolling ambush, the patrol was forced to conduct numerous vehicle manoeuvres, under intense enemy fire, over a distance of approximately four kilometres to extract the convoy from the engagement area. Compounding the extraction was the fact that casualties had consumed all available space within the vehicles. Those who had not been wounded, including Trooper Donaldson, were left with no option but to run beside the vehicles throughout. During the conduct of this vehicle manoeuvre to extract the convoy from the engagement area, a severely wounded coalition force interpreter was inadvertently left behind. Of his own volition and displaying complete disregard for his own safety, Trooper Donaldson moved alone, on foot, across approximately 80 metres of exposed ground to recover the wounded interpreter. His movement, once identified by the enemy, drew intense and accurate machine gun fire from entrenched positions.

Upon reaching the wounded coalition force interpreter, Trooper Donaldson picked him up and carried him back to the relative safety of the vehicles then provided immediate first aid before returning to the fight. On subsequent occasions during the battle, Trooper Donaldson administered medical care to other wounded soldiers, whilst continually engaging the enemy.
Trooper Donaldson’s acts of exceptional gallantry in the face of accurate and sustained enemy fire ultimately saved the life of a coalition force interpreter and ensured the safety of the other members of the combined Afghan, US and Australian force. Trooper Donaldson’s actions on this day displayed exceptional courage in circumstances of great peril. His actions are of the highest accord and are in keeping with the finest traditions of the Special Operations Command, the Australian Army and the Australian Defence Force.

Oops !

Regards
Brett
 
Sometimes you read something that just makes you smile, wonderful stuff.:)

Thanks Brett

Rob
 
Unfortunately due to today's twisted mentality the drunks will most likely sue for damages, get huge compensation and the three heroes will end up in court.
 
Excellent stuff I am so glad this has happened. Bet the yobs feel right soft co**s now. Just made my day this story
Mitch
 
Unfortunately due to today's twisted mentality the drunks will most likely sue for damages, get huge compensation and the three heroes will end up in court.

Unfortunately, your probably right- I still hold a lot of faith in Australia to keep some sense in the world- wouldn't want the "disturbing" actions of these warriors to come back and haunt them :rolleyes:

Never been to Australia though my kit ended up on a quantus flight as I got sent to the DMZ in Korea!! :eek::D Either way, I'd love to go sometime- I saw enough Crocodile Dundee flicks to know the best way to walk the streets of Australia- Eyes forward, mouth shut!! The two guys might have done themselves a favor watching those movies :D:D
 
I love stories like that...

I even like the term "yob"...we just call them "punks" or "thugs"...
 
What would Churchill make of this?

"Army cadets have been left ‘bitterly disappointed’ after being banned from carrying rifles on a Remembrance Day parade - amid fears the weapons might 'upset' onlookers.

The young cadets have proudly marched with rifles for decades and around 100 had spent months fine-tuning the drill where they would showcase their skills.

But the cadets were left 'gutted' just days before the big event when military top brass cut the rifles from the display following complaints from members of the public.
Plymouth cadets will no longer be able to march with rifles amid fears of 'upsetting' the public.

Plymouth cadets will no longer be able to march with rifles amid fears of 'upsetting' the public. They are pictured here on Remembrance Sunday in Hoe last year

They were warned the rifle display during the march in Plymouth, Devon, could be deemed as 'glamorising' weapons.

Cadets were left 'bitterly disappointed' by the late change, which organisers today branded 'political correctness gone mad'.
 
I guess the concern would be that massed soldiers marching in precision with rifles and bayonets fixed might conjure up images of the Nazi war machine. I guess inherently that just sort of insults the guys and gals on your own team- saying that they are ruthless warmongerers or whatever.
 
I guess the concern would be that massed soldiers marching in precision with rifles and bayonets fixed might conjure up images of the Nazi war machine. I guess inherently that just sort of insults the guys and gals on your own team- saying that they are ruthless warmongerers or whatever.

Disagree with you here, Chris, rather than images of the Nazi war machine it is just the professional "do gooders" who are permanently on the look out for things to disparage. They interfere with virtually all aspects of our life telling us we must do this or do that because we might upset immigrants, other religions, vegetarians, "***s" (hate that word), animal lovers, tree huggers or whatever. There is always some minority group to whom the majority must defer and the majority are getting a wee bit brassed off with it. Sooner or later something is going to pop.
 
There are some people who will complain about anything. It's the fault of those in charge to exercise common sense and backbone.
 
Disagree with you here, Chris, rather than images of the Nazi war machine it is just the professional "do gooders" who are permanently on the look out for things to disparage. They interfere with virtually all aspects of our life telling us we must do this or do that because we might upset immigrants, other religions, vegetarians, "***s" (hate that word), animal lovers, tree huggers or whatever. There is always some minority group to whom the majority must defer and the majority are getting a wee bit brassed off with it. Sooner or later something is going to pop.

Probably the weasel lol
Mitch
 
Disagree with you here, Chris, rather than images of the Nazi war machine it is just the professional "do gooders" who are permanently on the look out for things to disparage. They interfere with virtually all aspects of our life telling us we must do this or do that because we might upset immigrants, other religions, vegetarians, "***s" (hate that word), animal lovers, tree huggers or whatever. There is always some minority group to whom the majority must defer and the majority are getting a wee bit brassed off with it. Sooner or later something is going to pop.

Agree 100%- I was just trying to take a stab at the idea- would seem weird to march in a parade without a rifle though I believe the "welcome Home" parade in New York City featured American troops marching w/o rifles following the Persian Gulf exercise in 1991. Can't remember 100% though :eek:
 
Rifles banned from cadet parade
"Army cadets have been banned from carrying rifles on a Remembrance Day parade amid fears the weapons might "upset" onlookers......."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8113041/Rifles-banned-from-cadet-parade.html

".......But Devon Cadet Executive Officer Major David Waterworth (corr) put an end to the tradition after he ruled the carrying weapons was ''not good for the image'' of cadets.

He said: ''There is no need for children to appear in public with weapons. It does upset some members of the public.

''There is no need for it. It doesn't reflect our aims and ethos in the Army Cadet Force. We are not soldiers.

'People say it's traditional at Remembrance parades, but there is no need to carry a weapon to remember the dead.

''I stopped it as soon as I heard they were doing it. It's not good for our image to have children carrying weapons in public.

''We are not members of the Armed Forces – we are a youth movement sponsored by the Ministry of Defence.''

He added that a ruling against children carrying rifles had been in place for ten years, but had not been enforced until now. "
 
Well, Scott, that does put a different perspective on it then. I guess I hadn't paid enough attention to the article to read that it was kids.
 
I'd say let them have the rifles as I've been in reenactment groups with young members (historically correct "young", not children) But the decision seems to have come from within.
 

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