Rev War Redoubt (1 Viewer)

[Currahee Chris]

Does anyone out there have this set? It looks like it would make an incredible dio piece- what is everyone's thougts?

 

[Warrior]

Chris,
As you and I have discussed, I do not collect 54mm (20mm is my game as you know), but from a sales standpoint, I have not done well with this display. My personal opinion is it looks terrific when it is all set up, but to do it correctly, you need multiples of the pieces and quite a bit of space, so I think this has hurt sales, at least from my perspective.

Several customers have commented on how nice it looks, but raised concerns with both the price and more importantly, the space required for it...........

 

[jomartvr]

Hello,
I collect AWI and French and Indian war figures. Britains Redoubt is fantastic, however, I believe that it is over priced. Given the price of this terrain piece, I would rather spend the money on more sets and try to make my own redoubt.

Cheers,
Benjamin

 

[Robert E. Lee]

I have seen It displayed at a toy soldier shop. it lookes incredible but it takes up an enourmous amount of room

 

[Currahee Chris]

Thanks for all the info. I have an idea as to what I want my AWI dio to look like and think the fort is too "Specific" - I am really looking to do a general dio- open field battle with ranks and ranks of troops.

BTW- Welcome on board General Lee- with a name like that, I am sure you are going to command respect from the rest of us here.

 

[WBritain]

Hi Guys:

I was at a show a few weeks back with one of our retailers and had limited space so we set up the two redoubt sets with figures - 17757 and 17758 - as a snapshot of the action at the corner of the redoubt. A collector who had seen the piece in the catalog and at a shop commented that he thought he had to buy the whole shebang to make it look "right"- but when he saw this smaller version he snapped it up - it was the right price and right size for his display case.

Richard

 

[REVWARBUFF]

Thanks for all the info. I have an idea as to what I want my AWI dio to look like and think the fort is too "Specific" - I am really looking to do a general dio- open field battle with ranks and ranks of troops.

BTW- Welcome on board General Lee- with a name like that, I am sure you are going to command respect from the rest of us here.

Hi CC,

I agree with you. The redoubt/fort is too specific in my opinion as well. It certainly is a great set up, but I think Britains has limited themselves by issuing this dio set. It would have been nice if Britains issued some "rev war" single pieces in addition to the redoubts and accompanying figures. Unfortunately what I see here with this dio is not so much a rev war item, but a Yorktown set. The rev war figures from this Yorktown set are basically unique to the set but they don't fit well into other rev war dios we may want.

I too would love a display filled with ranks of troops and I am encouraged by the recent news from Britians. It appears that they going to be issuing single figures along with their vignettes. The Yorktown dio is great, don't get me wrong. It's just that I hope we'll see more rev war soldiers and not just soldiers that fit into the Yorktown set only. I'll guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[OldCelt]

The current Britain REv.War. sets are depicting British troops that fought with Cornewallis all through his southern campagnes.
For instances. The 71st Hi,landers were at Guilford Court House,and Cowpens. They also are just generic enough to help fill the Black Watch ranks for Monmoth Crt House.
We're collectors! We're creative. Go for it!

 

[kilted vampire]

Whilst the pieces in question are attractive, the settling of the compostie materials settle at somewhat different rates. They do not fit well and larege gaps occur. This could be solved by being able to piece the parts together looking for the best fit. Downside, what dealer is going to let you do it? The other cure would be to use diorama materials and cover the most obvious defects.

Size ? C'mon you guys! Get several pieces and set something up! You don't need them all. You do not want to wait forever but if you do maybe the prices will go down

 

[Currahee Chris]

I have decided to take the plunge with the Rev War figures. I have a 4' x 8' table that I am planning on making a "nonhistoric" American Rev dio on. I am going to place some hills, a barn and perhaps a covered bridge if I can find one. Then just ranks and ranks of British and American infantry with some Dragoons waiting for the order to charge.

This is pretty much how I approach all my "major" dios. This American Rev one will get started in 2008- too many retired pieces I need to pick up now. So, now that I have a concept of what I want, it is the fun part of picking up all the pieces. I see this shaking out with KC figures as the grunts and then using Britains artillery pieces and other theme specific pieces.

Unfortunately, judging by the rather narrow setup I have for this dio- it is long but narrow, I don't think the redoubt will work. I need to see it up close though before I completely write it off.

Thanks to everyone for their thoughts. Perhaps this works as another supplementary dio in the future.

CC

 

[fishead19690]

I have decided to take the plunge with the Rev War figures. I have a 4' x 8' table that I am planning on making a "nonhistoric" American Rev dio on. I am going to place some hills, a barn and perhaps a covered bridge if I can find one. Then just ranks and ranks of British and American infantry with some Dragoons waiting for the order to charge.

This is pretty much how I approach all my "major" dios. This American Rev one will get started in 2008- too many retired pieces I need to pick up now. So, now that I have a concept of what I want, it is the fun part of picking up all the pieces. I see this shaking out with KC figures as the grunts and then using Britains artillery pieces and other theme specific pieces.

Unfortunately, judging by the rather narrow setup I have for this dio- it is long but narrow, I don't think the redoubt will work. I need to see it up close though before I completely write it off.

Thanks to everyone for their thoughts. Perhaps this works as another supplementary dio in the future.

CC

Chris why not make your own redout out of foam. Then you can custum make it to what ever size you like. You could make one pretty much the same as the britains one but to the size you need with some pink or blue foam or even green floral foam found in any craft store. The stuff glues together with regular white or wood glue and can be shaped to whatever size or form you like with a ruff rasp or bastard file. Then some flat earth acrilic paint some more white or wood glue and add some hobby grass and shake it onto the glue leaving a few spots of the flat earth color still showing in a few spots.
Then take a pencil sharpner and some small branches and sharpen both ends of the broken down branches and stick one end into the foam and you can get the same effect as the baricade on the britainns piece. This makes a fun project to do with your kids also, they,ll love it.

To finnish the inside of the redout you can glue sticks and branches to the inside to act as shoreing for the redout and get a cool effect. Look at the piece I built for the russain artillary battery in my borodino diorama thread, that was built just like I just described but you can build one munch larger and higher useing the same method and make ramparts for one also and I may try one in the near future myself.

Give it a try, You might also have a really great time doing it also and have a great looking one of a kind piece when your done.

GOOD LUCK!!!

HERE IS A PHOTO SHOWING THE GUN PORTS WHICH WERE JUST FILED INTO THE FOAM, THEN I PAINTED ALL THE FOAM FLAT EARTH AND I STUCK THESE SMALL TWIGGS INTO THE FOAM IN THE GUN PORTS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE SHOREING AND ADD A NICE LOOKING TOUCH. ALL THE GRASS WAS GLUED OVER THE FLAT EARTH PAINT, THEN SHAKE OFF WHATEVER DOSN,T STICK.
THE MORE GLUE,THE MORE GRASS!
ALSO NOTICE THE SPIKES ADDED, THOSE ARE THE ONES I SHARPED IN THE PENCIL SHARPNER THEN JUST STUCK THEM RIGHT INTO THE FOAM.

 

[Fubar]

Great redoubt Fish- Pun intended. Build a couple more modular pieces like that and you will have the great redoubt.

Chris, Fish gives good advice. It's not really very hard at all. Or, there are many different premade unpainted high density foamcore entrenchments gun positions etc available that fit together nicely.Not hard to paint either.

I added a couple older pix of a Saratoga wargame we did last year for a little inspiration for you. I decided a long time ago that I had to go with what troops were available , even if not on the roster for particular battles.

Fub

 

[Nick Nasta]

Sure does look great. The redoubt really makes the scene. I also like the different types of cannons used. Everything looks really good.
Nick

 

[kilted vampire]

You guys inspire the heck out of me. I have some projects to work on still but a redoubt is in the thinking process at least. Fish you make it look easy!

 

[fishead19690]

FUBAR as always always another great set up. I wish I had a nice big table like yours and a play room to put it in.
I spent the day today painting up some more of your russain castings, mostly pavlovs but I also painted up a few more as jagers.
I need more dead and wounded russains, I might have to get a few more castings from you and see what I can come up with to make a few conversions to wounded figures.

I hope to do another bigger russain diorama soon with more russain infantry and some french infantry this time also.

You need to have some russain cavalry made to go with your infantry and artillary. How about some russain cuirassiers.

 

[Currahee Chris]

Hello fellas:

Wow, what a whirlwind of a weekend here at my house. First of all, thanks for the posts. I appreciate all the kindness and the advice is second to none. I have done some terrain features for wargaming, typically on the 15mm scale and it is mostly just rubbish- you could probably take some coke cans and glue them together and get a better looking hilltop

My approach to doing my AWI dio is to impress a scale of figures moreso than the terrain or other dio pieces. I am really looking to place several ranks of infantry loading and firing upon one another on a rather unexciting table. The idea I am working with is somewhat like in the Patriot where they had several lines of infantry lining up across from each other and just shooting away. I don't know, I am still in the "planning" stage for this particular dio and will work with what I have.

It's funny about this redoubt thread as I took my wife and 2 kids to the US Army Heritage center outside the War College in Carlisle. Holy Cow!! They have a trail that is about 1 mile long and they have really REALLY pumped some cash into doing some AMAZING work there. One of the new displays they just finished is in fact a Yorktown Redoubt (well, what would be a section of the redoubt at YT). They have various staggered pits and pikes and two cannons along with perhaps some AWI mortars??? (did they have a such thing back then??). It was really cool- they even have a Union Jack flying overhead!! It is lit up quite nicely and when you drive along I-81, it is really neat to see.

So again, thanks for all the friendly posts. I just know that my ability to properly craft something would fall utterly short of the amount of money I plan on pumping in to this over the next couple years. If I am going to put world class troops on the battlefield, I don't want them to be fighting on a battlefield my 18 month son could have devised

STANDS ALONE!!

CC

 

[Robert E. Lee]

On the king and country website there is an american revolution diorama called "Battle for the bridge on the dramatic display page.It has british soldiers crossing a bridge while marines fire on them. I have burnsides bridge and It would be really cool to do a concord style diorama