Robert Rogers BOS figure (1 Viewer)

[Combat]

I'm amazed to see this set hasn't sold out from John. Would have thought that Rogers would be a popular one for a very popular line and limited to 350 they would have gone fast. Particularly since the collector club figures with less well-known personalities are selling in the upper 300 and even 400 amounts in a very short time. Any thoughts on what the issue may be with this one? I know it's a personality figure so not many collectors are buying more than one, but maybe the action-type pose is a bit much?

 

[mikemiller1955]

I'm amazed to see this set hasn't sold out from John. Would have thought that Rogers would be a popular one for a very popular line and limited to 350 they would have gone fast. Particularly since the collector club figures with less well-known personalities are selling in the upper 300 and even 400 amounts in a very short time. Any thoughts on what the issue may be with this one? I know it's a personality figure so not many collectors are buying more than one, but maybe the action-type pose is a bit much?

This series has probably swapped hands more than any series ever issued in the history of toy soldiers....just kidding...but it does move around quite a bit...you can always find Snow Shoes on Ebay....maybe nobody has ever been into it long enough to finish it...hehehe...I did though...

we all know why the JJ Club sets sell so well...speculation...

as far as the "action" sets or "hand to hand" sets...it's not the poses that bother me so much...I like the action poses...but I just hate to see sculpting where every figure's face is twisted and contorted in these impossible expressions of anger and mad lust...

I don't like exaggerated facial expressions...in fact I hate them...I think too much facial expression can ruin a sculpt quicker than anything...there is no reason to spoil a good sculpt with overdone animation in the face...I would much prefer less exaggeration on faces...mouths and eyes...

 

[chalklands]

I'm with Mike on this.
None of the other Snowshoes sets have been 'action' sets so why this one? I have all of the Snowshoes sets except this one. Even the club figures aren't in 'action' poses. Just my opinion.

 

[BlakeWR85]

Yeah, for me it's the animated pose. He always has to be displayed with the "dispatched" Native, otherwise he'd look silly stand-alone. Plus he's posed for such a narrow part of the battle, I'd rather have him posed such that he could be in any part of the battle. Take the Gen. Braddock for example, the pose is so ambiguous, it could be during any part of the battle: when he's getting shot, maybe when he first heard gunshots (not sure why his sword would already be out though), he's upset that his hat fell, one of his many horses is reeling from getting shot, etc........I like the "multipurpose" pose myself.

 

[mikemiller1955]

Yeah, for me it's the animated pose. He always has to be displayed with the "dispatched" Native, otherwise he'd look silly stand-alone. Plus he's posed for such a narrow part of the battle, I'd rather have him posed such that he could be in any part of the battle. Take the Gen. Braddock for example, the pose is so ambiguous, it could be during any part of the battle: when he's getting shot, maybe when he first heard gunshots (not sure why his sword would already be out though), he's upset that his hat fell, one of his many horses is reeling from getting shot, etc........I like the "multipurpose" pose myself.

This is so true...other than the scalping set...all the other figures are multi purpose...and even the scalping set can be split up...but really...I just don't like these severly animated faces on any figures...I think it's so easy to over do the face and ruin the pose...

 

[pugio]

Just my opinion. Hand-to-hand combat is a very intense situation, especially with edged weapons, totally different than shooting someone at a distance, where you try to remain calm while sighting, You have no idea the amount of adrenaline or any other body induced drugs that courses through your body at that instance. Death is staring you face to face, only a few inches away. Face contortion comes with the territory. Anyway, Rogers still has a pistol in his other hand. In my diorama, I have him at the edge of it, swinging his hawk, at his victim with another Indian advancing towards him. It works and looks right....

 

[mikemiller1955]

Just my opinion. Hand-to-hand combat is a very intense situation, especially with edged weapons, totally different than shooting someone at a distance, where you try to remain calm while sighting, You have no idea the amount of adrenaline or any other body induced drugs that courses through your body at that instance. Death is staring you face to face, only a few inches away. Face contortion comes with the territory. Anyway, Rogers still has a pistol in his other hand. In my diorama, I have him at the edge of it, swinging his hawk, at his victim with another Indian advancing towards him. It works and looks right....

You're right...

I have no idea...

I have never had an Indian attack me with a tomahawk...

I think the thing I dislike the most about the "overly animated" faces is when the manufacturer makes their mouths in these unrealistic shapes...wide open...huge gaping mouths seem so popular with so many sculpters...

 

[Combat]

we all know why the JJ Club sets sell so well...speculation...

I think that is true about what is going on there but it makes no sense to me. The Rogers figure is limited to 350 which is LESS than the collector club figures production numbers. It's kind of funny when you think about it.

 

[mikemiller1955]

I think that is true about what is going on there but it makes no sense to me. The Rogers figure is limited to 350 which is LESS than the collector club figures production numbers. It's kind of funny when you think about it.

I think we talked about this before...

these JJ CC Sets seem to hold some possible intrinsic "gold mine" future resale speculation value...

maybe they will be the next BM06...the next Great White Whale...

the stigma of being a "club set"...the mystique of being of unknown limited size until the production run...usually signaling the end of a series...I think a lot of speculators are hoping they will cash in on the next "super rare" set...I think they sell a lot for that reason...

I have talked to John about the resale of these early BM's a few times...he doesn't understand it either...he is as amazed as I am...

I don't think another set will ever become as elusive or collectible (in price) as the early BM's did (except his early Frontline stuff) ...but I think you can always sell the JJD's for what you paid for them...

that is one good reason to collect them...I wish I could buy everything with that assurance...

 

[pugio]

You're right...

I have no idea...

I have never had an Indian attack me with a tomahawk...

I think the thing I dislike the most about the "overly animated" faces is when the manufacturer makes their mouths in these unrealistic shapes...wide open...huge gaping mouths seem so popular with so many sculpters...

Mike, I've never had a tomahawk swung at me either, though I've fended off a Chi-Com bayonet. Copies of Roger's tomahawks were carried in Nam. Even today, some troops in Iraq and Afghanistan carry modern-made hawks. There was a segment on the Military Channel about them.....

 

[marco55]

I hated this figure not because of the animation but because of the face.It's no secret but as popular as Jenkins is he loses a quite of bit of business because of the faces.Other than that his figures is second to none.Sometimes I think his figures are a little too colorful and clean as I like the more dirty campaign look.These men were these clothes a long time and I think some of them should have that ragged look.
Mark

 

[Jagdpanther]

I like the set and did buy it. Maybe the face is a little funny but I can live with it.

 

[Fraxinus]

Nothing in BOS really begs for more than 1 set -- no firing line, no marching columns which look great in mass ...... so collectors really do not have to have multiples ---- slower sales. I am very happy to buy only 1 BOS figure.

Someday I may sell a few of the earlier duplicate BOS sets I bought. The rest are being buried with me in an unmarked grave!!!

I am likely wrong (yet again), but I do think display use does plays a role. I noticed that on Culloden, the BJ-3 --- the "bayonet forward" set (British) was the first set to sell out. This would be the first rank in any company formation, a solid rank only doing 1 thing - thrusting the bayonet. The other deeper ranks can be more easily randomized behind them - BJ-2s, BJ-1s and BJ-4s. So if you want a 3-rank company display in Culloden, you need more BJ-3's sets than either BJ-1s, BJ-2s or BJ-4s.

The among the very first BOS sets were the firing Indians - superb sculpture, so I happily started collecting the BOS. If Rogers had been the first release, I might have passed.

The bright clean look of JJs is a big reason why they look so good on display. I can sacrifice some of the realism for that "brightness". Matte need not be dull.

I did notice the radical improvement of the faces on the British Sudan figures. If it is the "moustache" that generates the wonderful faces, then everyone should get a MOUSTACHE!!! Seriously, something that might be on point is something I think Mike once said --- JJ might be carrying through a "style" on a specific range and is reluctant to change style in mid-release of any series. Makes sense to me and explains why some figures in the older lines appear to be a tad more primitive than lets say the new Sudan line.

 

[mikemiller1955]

that's a shame Mark...but collecting is all about what you like...so it's your prerogative to hate a figure...

it's no secret...I personally love John's style...from head to toe...

this is John's style...this is how he does figures...he has been very successful with his style...people are paying premiums for his older work...

what series/manufacturer do you collect now that has the "dirty campaign" look that attracts you...

also I'm curious...which of Jenkin's series do you find too colorful and clean...

 

[lancer]

Just my 2 cents worth, but it was the striking sculpts, in particular, the faces, that first drew me to JJD. When I first saw the Quebec series in an ad, I was fascinated by a style I had never seen before. I bought a set off the net and that was all it took to addict me. JJD makes the best figures on the market, IMO. They are dynamic, colorful, and expressive. This is a wonderful combination for me. -- Al

 

[Dragoon]

Just my 2 cents worth, but it was the striking sculpts, in particular, the faces, that first drew me to JJD. When I first saw the Quebec series in an ad, I was fascinated by a style I had never seen before. I bought a set off the net and that was all it took to addict me. JJD makes the best figures on the market, IMO. They are dynamic, colorful, and expressive. This is a wonderful combination for me. -- Al

Well said Lancer, well said.

 

[tdubel]

Personally, I think this is one of the best sets he has done, the animation is incredible.

TD

 

[Dragoon]

I passed on this set, for me the Rogers figure was a little too animated, but I do like the Indian figure that's with it. Would have prefered a stand alone figure of Rogers looking like he's issuing orders in the act of rallying his men. I would have found a figure like that easier to display with the other sets.

 

[Fraxinus]

Please disregard my previous thread. I became curious and decided to do some quick looking around ---- I had no idea so many BOS sets had been retired !!!!! I thinking that maybe 3 or 4 BOS sets had been retired, but I guess it is closer to a dozen retired.

As it regards, the Robert Rogers figure, Treefrog shows it as retired but still in stock.

 

[catul]

I have to say this is actually one of my favourite sets!

I have quite a fondness of the less static sets like running charging Jacobites, duelling Jacobites/Brits, most of the wounded sets, the St. Francis "the prisoner" set, and not least of all the Robert Rogers "fight and flight" set!

I can understand why John's face sculpts divides collectors! I believe it is a schisma between strict realism and the kind of comic book like quality that I find in John's sculpting, and it is not just the faces, there is also something, I can't quite put my finger on, in the proportions of the bodies!

Personally I was hooked The first time I saw a John Jenkins figure

Niels