Robert Rogers BOS figure (1 Viewer)

[marco55]

Mike,I don't collect anybody right now.I do have a few kits to get painted but even in kit form there isn't much out their as far as action poses.No one does FIW to the extent JJD does that's why I started collecting him and I started collecting the snowshoes range first.I do think the figures overall are painted beautifully but I just can't get past the faces.The indians for the most part look fine but the europeans have a cavemanish look.If they have beards they look pretty good.There is one with a beard in set SF-01 that is a great figure.Now iI have seen people with that kind of face but not everybody. As far as colorful be out on campaign and you wouldn't have quite the bright colors that John paints them.Now I know the British wore redcoats and things like that but like in the new set QFM-05 one of the figures has a bright red pouch.I can understand the painting as it is pleasing to the eye but I have videos of reenactors and the clothes they wear aren't so vibrant.I think Aeroart has beautiful figures but I think they are too clean also.When I heard about the Ticonderoga range it perked my interest and I was thinking about getting a few figures to go with the abbatis and I was going going to start with QFM-05 but I've went on line 4 or 5 times to order the set but everytime I just look at them faces and I just can't do it.I know a lot disagree with me on these points but this is just my view.As far as other companies that I like their style is FL,Collectors Showcase and Conte.I like the Conte sets but the range was too limited with just the Rangers.
Mark

 

[mikemiller1955]

Marco...John's style is unique and if it doesn't move you...I'm sure you will find something that does meet your criteria...one of the things you dislike about the figures is their colorful look...this is one of the main attractions for me...but that's the good thing about the figures on today's market...all the manufacturers offer a little something different...I'm extremely happy with JJD and am in a position in life where I can buy whatever I like...I like Jenkins so that's what I collect...good luck in your search...

 

[nysoldiers]

I am also a big JJ fan and have every set he has ever made including the early Rangers and Indians produced with Frontlline.
His early figures did have "Neanderthal" looking faces but they have gotten better over the years. His poses are also evolving and I think the Ticonderoga range will bevery exciting. I have some of his unpainted prototypes and the sculpting is dramatic to say the least.
I also appreciate a "sturdy" figure that can be handled often and survive a fall or two.
With so many great makers we all have many choices. Growing up it was either Britains or Elastolin. When Trophy came along they changed the game for glossies. JJ has his own style and many advocates.

 

[old tank]

Hi..Guys..........
I am also a big fan of J.J.I collect 6 series now in multiples and cant
wait for Ticonderoga. As for the faces you can imagin 300 indians and French
soldiers firing yelling shooting arrows and men falling all around you. You will
not be smilling. And we were not all born handsome. Just a thought.

 

[marco55]

As far as the colors go I just said they were more vibrant.I could live with that very well.I just like a little more dirty,more campaign look.Something like that Manes Maranzo Reatreat from Russia collection and I've also seen a Last Stand at Gandamark collection that looks great. And Mike you yourself brought up the Rogers figure which I think is an extreme version.To each his own.If anybody thinks I'm putting Mr. Jenkins down I'm not at all.His accessories are superb.The blockhouse,the cabin,the indian stockade and longhouses are second to none.
Mark

 

[mikemiller1955]

And Mike you yourself brought up the Rogers figure which I think is an extreme version.
Mark

Mark...let me correct this right now...you misinterpreted my comment on what I was saying in the first post addressing Doug's comment on why the Roger's figure didn't sell well...first off...I love this figure and I love this set...it's one of my very favorites...I was speaking of action sets in general from all manufacturers that have too much facial expression...I was never referring to this set in particular...I'm sorry it appeared I was singling out this set...I was not even referring to it...I was actually referring to another manufacturer that I privately sent some pictures of to Doug...without disclosing the name of this manufacturer on this forum in this thread...as I think it's rude to bash products publicly...I hope Doug will read this post and verify what I'm saying here also not disclosing the manufacturer of the pictures I sent him...

but maybe the action-type pose is a bit much?

 

[marco55]

You know I don't usually bash anyone either but it is a known fact that a lot don't care for the faces.I'm sorry if I hurt Mr. Jenkins feelings on this but none of the manufacturers are perfect.Read the comments on Conte's SOS series or some of Collectors Showcase figures or any of the other manufacturers.You are probably right that it's a style he prefers but it is not for everyone.
Mark

 

[mikemiller1955]

Mark...I don't think you have intentionally bashed or would purposely bash any manufacturer's figures...I have conversed with you on here for a long time on here and your character is solid as far as I'm concerned...I don't think John's style appeals to you and that's all there is to it...

Personally, I do find them appealing and think they are some of the finest figures available today...

I'm not going to compare them to any other manufacturer as I think they stand on their own merits...

JJD company and sculpts are everything I could hope for...

I love their vibrant colors...their faces...the weight of the figures...the value by purchase price...the durability of the sculpts...the strength of his bayonets, spears and swords...the variety of poses...these small eclectic untapped battles he chooses...John's willingness to be accessible to communication, the tremendous resale value they carry...John's attitude to listening to his customer's input on future releases...

I'm confident everytime I open one of those little red boxes that arrive at my house that I now own a quality metal figure that I will enjoy until I decide to move on...and then probably recoup most...all...or more of my original investment...

these is a "premier" company as far as I'm concerned...

I understand that they don't appeal to everyone...I thick John is pretty "thick skinned" when it comes to criticism...

 

[marco55]

I don't think Jenkins products are bad and I know I'll be buying more from him,especially the abbatis.I think I'm more of a historical miniature type of guy than toy soldier.I have bought or traded for almost
100 sets over the last 3 years so there is something about them I like too.
Mark

 

[mikemiller1955]

Nothing in BOS really begs for more than 1 set -- no firing line, no marching columns which look great in mass ...... so collectors really do not have to have multiples ---- slower sales. I am very happy to buy only 1 BOS figure.

Ken...you know...that's a really good point...there is not a single set in Battle of Snow Shoes that dictates you need multiples of it...

this series will sell out as individual purchases of each set...there is nothing in this series that would demand multiples of any set...

no organized "firing" lines...

no regimental "marching" lines...

no standard "at the ready" lines...

just a bunch of randomly posed Rangers/French and Indians in no particular formation...

as so very many of these sets have already reached "retired" status...there was no reason to buy multiples of any set...they are all "one off" sets...

so this series could take a bit to completely retire...

this has been an extremely popular conflict that John chose...I love how he picks these obscure little battles...being a pioneer in introducing figures wearing snow shoes was a great idea...these figures are sooooooooooo unusual...

I can't imagine very many series issued by any manufacturer that would not have sets that lend to multiple purchases...this series does not require or need any multiple purchases...

 

[Combat]

I was actually referring to another manufacturer that I privately sent some pictures of to Doug...without disclosing the name of this manufacturer on this forum in this thread...as I think it's rude to bash products publicly...I hope Doug will read this post and verify what I'm saying here also not disclosing the manufacturer of the pictures I sent him...

Yes, Mike has sent me examples of some over-the-top expressions from another manufacturer. I'm sure that is what he is making reference too. We all have or subjective likes and dislikes. I do think many of the JJ figures look better to me in person than in those blown up marketing photographs. Maybe it's just the style or proportions of the faces that make them look a bit strange at that level of detail. I rarely have the same reaction when I'm looking at the figures themselves. Also, JJ figures look better to me when displayed en masse instead of single figures. That may have something to do with John's background in theatre design. The individual figures and sets are meant to be part of a larger design to tell the story. Just my theory.

 

[marco55]

I do think many of the JJ figures look better to me in person than in those blown up marketing photographs. Maybe it's just the style or proportions of the faces that make them look a bit strange at that level of detail. I rarely have the same reaction when I'm looking at the figures themselves. Also, JJ figures look better to me when displayed en masse instead of single figures. That may have something to do with John's background in theatre design. The individual figures and sets are meant to be part of a larger design to tell the story. Just my theory.[/QUOTE]

I agree with Combat.They do look better in person and en masse.
Mark

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Yes, Mike has sent me examples of some over-the-top expressions from another manufacturer. I'm sure that is what he is making reference too. We all have or subjective likes and dislikes. I do think many of the JJ figures look better to me in person than in those blown up marketing photographs. Maybe it's just the style or proportions of the faces that make them look a bit strange at that level of detail. I rarely have the same reaction when I'm looking at the figures themselves. Also, JJ figures look better to me when displayed en masse instead of single figures. That may have something to do with John's background in theatre design. The individual figures and sets are meant to be part of a larger design to tell the story. Just my theory.

Mikemiller and I have been discussing this very topic. I've asked JJ and K&C and they do use shading on the face and clothing to provide enhanced detail to the naked eye. They are really not designed to be enjoyed using a magnifying glass.

This is one of the advantages of having a "robust" 1:30 scale figure. FL, on the other hand, is a true 1:30 scale and the figures are smaller than JJ or K&C and many of the FL collectors have told me they do examine the fine detail of the figures under a magnifying glass. They are painted to show fine detail under magnification. That is why to me, the FL figures look better in close up photos like those of fmethorst than the figures look to my naked eye. I can't see the fine detail on the FL figures unless it is in a high def photo or with a magnifying glass.

Terry