Rough Riders, 1 July 1898 (1 Viewer)

Re: Roughr Riders, 1 July 1898

My thanks for the comments made by "Phantom Warrior" / Terry as well as by "Panzer ace"!!

Also, thanks for the many "Likes" posted as well by assorted members of the Forum to my Thread!

"Iron Brigade" / Gary
 
I think they put the German adviser/observer in as the Germans were sending advisers/observers out during the colonial wars of the late 19th century.I think there were some with the Boers,some with the Japanese in their war against Russia,some with the Turks during the Balkan Wars.They wanted to observe modern weaponry and tactics.I think this figure was a "what if" type of figure.
Mark
 
marco55 said:
I think they put the German adviser/observer in as the Germans were sending advisers/observers out during the colonial wars of the late 19th century.I think there were some with the Boers,some with the Japanese in their war against Russia,some with the Turks during the Balkan Wars.They wanted to observe modern weaponry and tactics.I think this figure was a "what if" type of figure.
Mark
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"marco55" / Mark:

Thanks for your comments on the German Officer "advisor" figure as part of K&C's Rough Rider series of sets back in 2001. I shall try to do some research and perhaps contact Andy Neilson to see what he may say about the subject.

"Iron Brigade" / Gary
 
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He surely can tell you more than me.Let us know what he says.
Mark
 
Awhile ago I was doing some research on the Spanish Cuban American War and there were no German advisors in Cuba. The belief that there were was based on a movie whose name I can't remember. At any rate, it's not accurate.
 
jazzeum said:
Awhile ago I was doing some research on the Spanish Cuban American War and there were no German advisors in Cuba. The belief that there were was based on a movie whose name I can't remember. At any rate, it's not accurate.
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Maybe you are thinking of the movie Gettysburg. There was a German observer in that movie.

As for Cuba, there was a German observer. His name was Count von Gotzen. He was a military attache in Washington and served under Teddy Roosevelt in Cuba. So for those that have the Roughrider figures - display him with the Americans and not with the Spanish.

Terry
 
Hardly.

It's a been few years but I do recall the results didn't disclose any German advisors. However, I will stand corrected on this one.
 
marco55 said:
He surely can tell you more than me.Let us know what he says.
Mark
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"marco55" / Mark:

I have just sent an E-mail to Andy Neilson asking about any historical data he may have had relative to the "German Advisor" figure. My Online research shows that there was German advisor(s) on side of Spanish in 1898 per a Hollywood movie, but many people do not believe that that was actually the case in real life Cuba in 1898.

"Iron Brigade" / Gary
 
You piqued my curiosity and I did some quick research and it indicates the Count was German Military Attaché in Cuba and, according to the book From the Jungle Through Europe with Roosevelt, reported on the War. Other sources describe him as an observer. We may be splitting hairs but a reporter and an observer do not translate into an advisor.
 
jazzeum said:
You piqued my curiosity and I did some quick research and it indicates the Count was German Military Attaché in Cuba and, according to the book From the Jungle Through Europe with Roosevelt, reported on the War. Other sources describe him as an observer. We may be splitting hairs but a reporter and an observer do not translate into an advisor.
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There is an article in the New York Times from the turn of the century.

Count A. von Goetzen, former Military Attache at the German Embassy in Washington, who was commissioned by Emperor William to accompany the United States army during the Hispano-American war for purposes of observation and official report, addressed a large and distinguished audience this evening at the Kaiserhof on "The Newest Colonial Power"

You can read the entire article if you subscribe to the Times.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9A0DE2DF1E39E433A2575AC0A9649D94699ED7CF

Terry
 
Thanks for the article. I suppose it makes the German figure a little inaccurate but still a cool figure nonetheless. When Andy first made it, he didn't have to worry about types like us, did he? ^&grin

The benefit is that we know a little more than we did a couple of hours ago so that's to the good. Rough Riders was the first non WW II set I collected. Also have the glossy version they did.

Brad
 
I got fast reply back from Andy Neilson about the question of German advisors being in Cuba with the Spanish Army in July 1898.

Andy stated: "Regards German advisor for the Spanish troops....there were many German military teams in South America and Mexico at this time, so why not Cuba?"

In any case, I will keep the German Advisor figure amongst the 1898 Spanish troops on top of the San Juan Hill defenses in my diorama of the Rough Riders attacking the San Juan Heights.

"Iron Brigade" / Gary
 
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Interesting answer although not necessarily historically sound. At any rate, still a very nice figure.

Brad
 
Hi Gary,

Great display of your newly acquired Rough Rider figures. When you wrote me about this recently, I was not expecting you to put up a diorama, but I am glad you did. After studying your pictures, I realised that you also managed to get the K&C Defence Works trench for the Charge on San Juan Hill. I would think the entire Rough Rider range would pretty much be a Collector's item, so perhaps you might consider keeping this range in your collection. My knowledge of the Spanish-American War of 1898 leaves much to be desired, but I am learning more.

All the Best, Raymond.
 
glossman said:
Hi Gary,

Great display of your newly acquired Rough Rider figures. When you wrote me about this recently, I was not expecting you to put up a diorama, but I am glad you did. After studying your pictures, I realised that you also managed to get the K&C Defence Works trench for the Charge on San Juan Hill. I would think the entire Rough Rider range would pretty much be a Collector's item, so perhaps you might consider keeping this range in your collection. My knowledge of the Spanish-American War of 1898 leaves much to be desired, but I am learning more.

All the Best, Raymond.
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Hello Raymond:

Thank you very much for your remarks about my newest diorama I thought I would never have until just recently. Back in 2001 when this K&C Rough Rider series came out these sets were only sold by the then independent King's X store in San Antonio, Texas at least in the USA. I do not plan on selling these anytime soon.

Very best regards, Gary
 
When I first started this new Thread I noted that I did not display a duplicate figure of set# RR20 of Spanish soldier attacking or defending with bayonet on end of his rifle as I thought that I could not find a "proper" position for him on the diorama. I had put the 2nd RR20 figure up for auction on eBay for minimum bid of $39.50 and while #5 people were on the "Watch List" at the end there were NO bids! The 5 day auction ended late on 7/12/2014. I relisted it for minimum bid of $32.50. But I got to thinking that I should take a 2nd look at where I could put the 2nd RR20 figure on my new diorama. I think I found an OK place for him and I deleted my 2nd eBay listing an hour plus after I relisted it.

I have attached just 3 photos of the revised diorama with two Spanish RR20 figures with the bayonets.

"Iron Brigade" / Gary


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Gary...I just opened this thread...that is a very nice display...I love the Spanish bunker embankment and the palm trees...it really completes the figures...great job!
 
Re: Roughr Riders, 1 July 1898

emilio said:
just a question. What is the reason of the skin tone of the Spanish soldiers?
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Spanish soldiers with many years in the tropics (e.g. Cuba) turned to get very dark skin tones due to their "olive/Mediterranean" skin.
 
My thanks to both "mikemiller1955" and "Fort-Stamford" for their comments!!

Gary
 
Very nice set up. I'm always looking for the Spanish figures from this range. You have a very nice set up. It looks like the original strong point made by K&C but integrated to a larger base and with some green and vegetation added to the mix. The original base looked like it was on the moon! ;)
The search continues!
 
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