Russian Soldiers - Compare PPSH41 (1 Viewer)

[Phantom Warrior]

Here are some PPSH 41. Things to note. Dark grey colour of metal; size and number of air holes; slightly rounded shape of barrel cover; barrel cover is perfectly straight; barrel does not go full length of cover; slight angle of magazine fit to gun; detail on front of magazine; size of stock.







How do the Russian figures compare on these characteristics? Stay Tuned.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

And here is a stock photo of the first series of K&C Russians.



Go down the list of PPSH features. The K&C PPSH is very good. All the features are there down to the medium sized first air vent, the longer sized next 3 air vents, and the final small round air vent.

Compare to the 1st series of FL PPSH figures. Maybe a bit more detail than K&C, but not much

 

[Phantom Warrior]

The second series of Russians lost a lot of detail and quality on the PPSH. Ronded shape of barrel cover gone - it looks stamped flat. Air vent definition reduced or missing entirely. Barrel cover bright silver; barrel cover bent in a wow.



There were some complaints, including by me and I did not buy any of series 2. Admittedly, I used the worst examples of series 2 - but they were for sale. There was a lot of variation in the series 2 PPSH - IMO none met the standard.

Series 3 was much improved. Better colour on barrel cover and magazine, only a slight curve to the barrel cover, better defined air holes and rounded shape. Did it recover to the quality of the Series 1 PPSH41?????? I think so. Mostly OK on all figures with less PPSH variation between figures.



There has been some complaints about the TGM MP40 compared to earlier ones. Someone can do a photo comparison if they wish. And as for the FL PPSH41, I think the second series is not as crisp as the first, but it's hard to tell as I don't have high quality photos. If an FL collector with both series wants to comment, please feel free.

Terry

 

[Mitch]

Interesting thread and readily noticeable how poor the PPSH was on those figures. I am stunned that they were allowed to go into production really?? They did get better and I mentioned the Russian female figures as they have been the best of the bunch so far. I only bought the trench coated Russians as the others were lets say, not up scratch
Mitch

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Interesting thread and readily noticeable how poor the PPSH was on those figures. I am stunned that they were allowed to go into production really?? They did get better and I mentioned the Russian female figures as they have been the best of the bunch so far. I only bought the trench coated Russians as the others were lets say, not up scratch
Mitch

I'm doing a Russian Winter scene. I have the whitewashed T-34 and Red Army officer RA031 which is well done. I've ordered the BA-64 Armoured Car and Female Shooter RA045. And I will get the SU-85 when it comes out. I do agree that the recent long coat Russians are well done. And don't think the variation in quality is limited to K&C because there are worse examples from other companies.

Terry

 

[Andanna]

The second series of Russians lost a lot of detail and quality on the PPSH. Ronded shape of barrel cover gone - it looks stamped flat. Air vent definition reduced or missing entirely. Barrel cover bright silver; barrel cover bent in a wow.

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There were some complaints, including by me and I did not buy any of series 2. Admittedly, I used the worst examples of series 2 - but they were for sale. There was a lot of variation in the series 2 PPSH - IMO none met the standard.

Series 3 was much improved. Better colour on barrel cover and magazine, only a slight curve to the barrel cover, better defined air holes and rounded shape. Did it recover to the quality of the Series 1 PPSH41?????? I think so. Mostly OK on all figures with less PPSH variation between figures.

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There has been some complaints about the TGM MP40 compared to earlier ones. Someone can do a photo comparison if they wish. And as for the FL PPSH41, I think the second series is not as crisp as the first, but it's hard to tell as I don't have high quality photos. If an FL collector with both series wants to comment, please feel free.

Terry

I think a clarification is in order: this refers to King & Country, not First Legion. It could be confusing to some.

I think there are of course differences between K&C and FL in sculpting and size making these figures incompatible, but I suspect that for the purposes of this review that can be ignored. I think this is a great thread and certainly worthwhile. It also think that there are distinct differences in the painting between the first wave FL and K&C Russians like in the shading of the wood. The answer to the question as to whether these differences are material lie in the eye of the beholder and individual collector.

 

[uksubs]

I think a clarification is in order: this refers to King & Country, not First Legion. It could be confusing to some.

I think there are of course differences between K&C and FL in sculpting and size making these figures incompatible, but I suspect that for the purposes of this review that can be ignored. I think this is a great thread and certainly worthwhile. It also think that there are distinct differences in the painting between the first wave FL and K&C Russians like in the shading of the wood. The answer to the question as to whether these differences are material lie in the eye of the beholder and individual collector.

Think you also need to add there a difference of price as well $20.00

 

[uksubs]

Terry thank for a very interesting thread

 

[Phantom Warrior]

The comparison is for a single item to illustrate a point on variance in quality/level of detail. It does not compare entire figures or painting styles. The comparisons are between 3 series of K&C PPSH41 with actual PPSH41 and FL PPSH41 as a reference. The point being that K&C series 1 PPSH41 detail is very high compared to a real PPSH or a high detail model like FL. Then the K&C series 2 and 3 are compared to series 1.

Terry

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Think you also need to add there a difference of price as well $20.00

That's not the point of the comparison. It's to measure and compare 3 series of K&C PPSH - that's all

Terry

 

[uksubs]

That's not the point of the comparison. It's to measure and compare 3 series of K&C PPSH - that's all

Terry

It is when your comparing KC to fl :rolleyes2:

 

[Phantom Warrior]

It is when your comparing KC to fl :rolleyes2:

But I'm not comparing K&C to FL. FL is just a reference point for high end detail and the point is that the first batch of K&C PPSH is very high in quality and the second batch isn't. One might as well complain that the comparison to a real PPSH isn't fair because it's a different scale and is made of steel and real wood. I have comparisons of many models - but only ones I own or was interested in. I don't post them because they would get twisted around into something they are not - like this one is. The point of comparison is to compare - not to just offer an unsupported opinion. The question was is the K&C PPSH of high quality and has the quality changed over time.

Terry

 

[uksubs]

But I'm not comparing K&C to FL. FL is just a reference point for high end detail and the point is that the first batch of K&C PPSH is very high in quality and the second batch isn't. One might as well complain that the comparison to a real PPSH isn't fair because it's a different scale and is made of steel and real wood. I have comparisons of many models - but only ones I own or was interested in. I don't post them because they would get twisted around into something they are not - like this one is. The point of comparison is to compare - not to just offer an unsupported opinion. The question was is the K&C PPSH of high quality and has the quality changed over time.

Terry

Well Terry I think we can all agree the first set of KC figures are of very high quality and leave it at that

 

[Panzer ace]

Here are some PPSH 41. Things to note. Dark grey colour of metal; size and number of air holes; slightly rounded shape of barrel cover; barrel cover is perfectly straight; barrel does not go full length of cover; slight angle of magazine fit to gun; detail on front of magazine; size of stock.

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How do the Russian figures compare on these characteristics? Stay Tuned.

Terry:

Great topic and analysis.

Some quick notes on my experiences with seeing PPSH's in person. I have been lucky enough to see a certified original PPSH as part of a private gun collection. It was obviously battle used but in good working order. The metal was a mix of colors and the wood was faded and clearly worn. I say lucky because most of the PPSH's that you see today have been refurbished, especially the stocks. With the exception of finding one of the rare originals it is very difficult to know exactly what one looked like in the 1940's.


Also, I believe the top picture is a replica, most likely made by Hudson. I have seen this example before and what stands out is the replicated wood compared to the originals.

-Jason