Scale question (1 Viewer)

[storch]

Does any one now what the make of the Funkkraftwagen is? It is obviously not an Opel or Mercedes. The reason I ask this is because I just got it, and it looks too small. The back of the truck should be able to hold a couple of soldiers standing, but the K&C model is way too short. Can anyone locate a real picture of this particular model to get a point of comparison. I've been searching the net for pictures or scales models of this particular Funkwagen, but all I found was the Opel Blitz version. I like the model, but it looks a little out of place in my diorama in terms of size.

I am not fanatical about scale, but I do like a little consistency, especially when it comes to the vehicles.

Gil

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Does any one now what the make of the Funkkraftwagen is? It is obviously not an Opel or Mercedes. The reason I ask this is because I just got it, and it looks too small. The back of the truck should be able to hold a couple of soldiers standing, but the K&C model is way too short. Can anyone locate a real picture of this particular model to get a point of comparison. I've been searching the net for pictures or scales models of this particular Funkwagen, but all I found was the Opel Blitz version. I like the model, but it looks a little out of place in my diorama in terms of size.

I am not fanatical about scale, but I do like a little consistency, especially when it comes to the vehicles.

Gil

The Funkkraftwagen was made by Steyr, a tractor/automobile manufacturer still in business located in Steyr, Austria. They made the engine and chassis to which a few different style driver's cabs and several different rear boxes (radio box, ambulance, flatbed, cargo) were added. The Steyr 1500A was not a big vehicle - it was only a 1-1/2 ton truck. It wasn't even big enough to carry the Flak.38 which had to be installed in the Steyr 2000A chassis on a flatbed with a roofless drivers cab. I don't think anyone could stand up inside the radio box, but I don't have any photos from WW2 showing soldiers beside or inside the vehicle proving yes or no.

Why do you think it could hold standing soldiers?

Steyr also made the Rauppen Schlepper that K&C produced.

Terry

 

[storch]

Hi Terry:

Thanks for the info. There are a several reasons I think it would hold standing men. First, I have seen pictures of other radio trucks and command cars that allow people to stand inside them. Second, in the move Valkyrie there is a short shot of a radio car that looks very much like the K&C and it seems that it was big enough for people to stand up. And third, if you look at the door of the K&C funkwagen, it seems designed for someone to enter the vehicle in an upright position perhaps only needing to hunch a little. Now that you mention that the vehicle is a small Steyr, I am beginning to have doubts. Maybe the vehicle was indeed that small.

Gil

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Hi Terry:

Thanks for the info. There are a several reasons I think it would hold standing men. First, I have seen pictures of other radio trucks and command cars that allow people to stand inside them. Second, in the move Valkyrie there is a short shot of a radio car that looks very much like the K&C and it seems that it was big enough for people to stand up. And third, if you look at the door of the K&C funkwagen, it seems designed for someone to enter the vehicle in an upright position perhaps only needing to hunch a little. Now that you mention that the vehicle is a small Steyr, I am beginning to have doubts. Maybe the vehicle was indeed that small.

Gil

Here are a few photos of US 1-1/2 ton trucks with soldiers. Fitting a box on the back in which a soldier could stand would make it much taller than the driver's cab, and the radio box on the funkkraftwaggen was only a little taller than the cab.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I should also confess that my first reaction to the funkkraftwaggen on taking it out of the box was " that looks small?". But I have had some time to think about it so I have had time to recover from the surprise and you just got yours.

Terry

 

[noli-poli]

The KC "Funkwagen" is indeed a small vehicle. Here is a picture of the of its big brother the Kofferbau Funkwagen which is from the chasis of the Opel Blitz. Same vehicle used at the movie, Battle of the Bulge."

 

[Phantom Warrior]

The KC "Funkwagen" is indeed a small vehicle. Here is a picture of the of its big brother the Kofferbau Funkwagen which is from the chasis of the Opel Blitz. Same vehicle used at the movie, Battle of the Bulge."

That's a good photo. It clearly shows a radio box much taller than the driver's cab. Maybe it was that radio truck that was in the Valkyrie movie?

Terry

 

[storch]

I cam across that picture also. The truck in the movie Valkyrie had the antenna with the coil like the K&C model. I am almost convinced that the K&C Funkkraftwagen is the right scale, but really would love to see a picture of the actual thing.

 

[rpk]

Best I found for comparison was in the 1/72 scale model arena. Profiline has a few variation of the Steyr type 1500, including the radio truck version. Their website is http://profiline.wbs.cz/Military--172.html.

-Rich

 

[Richard Tree]

Hi there,

The Steyr 1500a was a realy small truck and K&C depictedit well. I found a site with a few good photo's of Steyr variants. It is a nice little truck. It seems that the Radio truck and the Ambulance variant had the same trunk. The site is in German, but I think the photo's will convince you.

I do not recall K&C dit a ambulance version. The build up of the truck is the same, so .....

http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de/steyrpuch/steyrv8_1.htm

Richard

 

[forlornhoper]

Great site ,richard thanks for the link,i have a number of Steyrs in my collection,an ambulance version by K&C would be a great addition,i really like the "funk" version in grey by K&C,despite the scale debate,the dimensions of the model looked correct to me,but the interior must have been cramped and uncomfortable to say the least,the opel berlitz or a captured dorchester would have been better to work in,would like to see K&C model Rommels captured Dorchester in their DAK range,that would be huge in 1.30th .

 

[Richard Tree]

I like Steyr to. There fit in realy well in the 1/30 range and aren't that big so you have to build a larger dio. A ambulance would indeed a nice ad on to BoBG.

The are indeed small and cramped. In the post war Dutch army we had a Daf Radiovehcle. Itvhad about the same layout and was very cosey maned with two radio operators. If you search the internet on YA126 Radiowagen you will see that is is simelar to the Steyr. I enclosed a photo of it.

Greetings

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I like Steyr to. There fit in realy well in the 1/30 range and aren't that big so you have to build a larger dio. A ambulance would indeed a nice ad on to BoBG.

The are indeed small and cramped. In the post war Dutch army we had a Daf Radiovehcle. Itvhad about the same layout and was very cosey maned with two radio operators. If you search the internet on YA126 Radiowagen you will see that is is simelar to the Steyr. I enclosed a photo of it.

Greetings

Except the radio operators could probably stand up in it. Look how tall the radio box is - much higher than the driver's cab.

Terry

 

[storch]

Thanks a lot. These pictures leave no doubt as the accuracy of the K&C model in terms of scale or detail. Wow! that was a tiny little truck!

Gil