Siege of Khartoum (2 Viewers)

[PolarBear]

Here is a gunboat designed and made by John Jenkins in 28mm for Sudan/Africa wargamers. This subject has long been an interest of John's and is now being shared with collectors like us.

 

[PJDeluhery]

Nice job on the pictures, Walt. Mine are about the same.

I think these photos clearly show that this set will be another great series. The key is CUTOMER INTEREST. I heard John say that he is willing to go further - and has some ideas now - if people demostrate an interest in this seires. And, yes, there will be more combat poses. A Nile gunboat is also a possibility (please,please,please!!!). So it's up to you, customers! As for me, I'm completely in.

 

[PolarBear]

Nice job on the pictures, Walt. Mine are about the same.

I think these photos clearly show that this set will be another great series. The key is CUTOMER INTEREST. I heard John say that he is willing to go further - and has some ideas now - if people demostrate an interest in this seires. And, yes, there will be more combat poses. A Nile gunboat is also a possibility (please,please,please!!!). So it's up to you, customers! As for me, I'm completely in.

I plan to collect this series in full like I have done with the Battle on Snowshoes. My 2 favorite military subjects are conflicts that take place in the snow or sand.

 

[skeeterbuck]

It's the photography. I have this problem many times when shooting figures. It is an optical distortion. I know when I shot John's whaleboat set one figure looked like he had giant hands in the photo but in person they were not like that.

I thought that might be the case. Thanks for clearing that up.

Chuck

 

[Dragoon]

Well, I should have known better. In another thread, I made a statement to the effect that I wouldn't buy Death of Gordon, but would buy relief column related items. I was wrong. I want all of it now, after having seen the outstanding sculpts and color of this new line. JJD is just getting better and better. The Gordon figures, and especially the Mahdists, just look spectacular. What more can I say than "I want it all"? -- lancer

I'm with you Lancer, and will have to eat my words on an earlier comment. This Gordon of Khartoum series looks OUTSTANDING. Maybe I was hoping I wouldn't have to spread my collecting dollars any thinner, but these are going to be just too good to pass up. Sounds like the releases might be slower but steady - which will be a good thing, at least for me.

This series as displayed will probabley attrack more than just people interested in the time period portrayed but also collectors across the board interested in the '' art of the toy soldier ''. Again, OUTSTANDING work Mr. Jenkins. And thanks Walt for posting those pics.

 

[jazzeum]

As mentioned elsewhere, I would probably be interested in this series and, definitely, in a gunboat. Assuming John is in Hackensack, I'm looking forward to seeing this.

 

[PolarBear]

As mentioned elsewhere, I would probably be interested in this series and, definitely, in a gunboat. Assuming John is in Hackensack, I'm looking forward to seeing this.

Brad

John will be in Hackensack with the set

BTW--thank you for your great and not always easy job of TF moderator.
Sometimes you must have felt like Gordon

Randy

 

[Warrior]

Here are some of the photos Pat and I took today off Johns Work Table at Hobby Bunker. The wall and steps would be part of the first issue. I believe these shots contain the first 4 releases, so the brake out would be some combination of the figures shown here.

Thanks for sharing those photos; they are in a word, stunning. The flag is outstanding, the poses, the sculpts, the faces, everything.

To each his own and we all have the right to collect what we want, but as a dyed in the wool 20mm collector, I am going on record right now and saying I will be adding these, my very first 54mm figures, to my collection, they are just superb and Khartoum is one of my all time favorite movies, remember it well as a child and it has been on cable recently as well.............

W-O-W.

 

[jazzeum]

Brad

John will be in Hackensack with the set

BTW--thank you for your great and not always easy job of TF moderator.
Sometimes you must have felt like Gordon

Randy

Yes, but I lived! If you wish I can take some photos although they will probably not as good as the ones posted so far.

 

[PolarBear]

Yes, but I lived! If you wish I can take some photos although they will probably not as good as the ones posted so far.

Yes

Shoot as many as you can. I am thrilled you like the series. Talk to John about how we all love camels.

 

[Sharpshooter]

Here are 2 photos that I think are the break out of release 1 and 2. The figures missing from these photos in the above thread would in some paring form the 3rd and 4th release

As a side note when asking John "WHY KHARTOUM" he had a very "Customer Centric" answer that went somethng like this.....The F&IW may have come so fast that collectors found it difficult to keep up, and others not necessarily into F&IW little to select from. By adding a new diverse series, more collectors can participate and the time invested in the new series allows for a slow down of the pace of the F&IW releases. It is not one at the expense of another, but more to set a sustainable collector pace in a great array of offerings to a more satisfy wider range of collector interest. Sounds good to me. Also note, I have photos coming in another thread of some great F&IW releases coming in the future, so F&IW addicts........the best is yet to come!!!

Hi WH,
please let me know if you have already posted the photos about new F&IW releases coming in the future.
Thanks.

 

[kogu]

Thank you very much for the photos, whdamon, and the closeup, Randy.
These figures look great and I am very happy to see that with the first releases a complete diorama is possible and covered.
I like this approach very much, since funds for massed troops are not available. Kind of like the Honour Bound/Treefrog "Shores of Tripoli" Series where you know that 24 figures will be released and that's it.
JJ's sculpts and the painting are very well done here.
I'm in on "The Death of Gordon".
Konrad

 

[chalklands]

Thanks for posting the photos. Definitely will be collecting this series (no surprise there!).
Was any mention made of how limited the sets will be (350, 500, 750 etc)?

Pete

PS The more photos the better!

 

[damian]

Thanks for posting those photos.
Wow. It really looks great.
I wonder what the WB stuff will focus on.
2010 looks good so far.

 

[Mister Dave]

Since seeing these images earlier, I have been attempting to re-familiarize myself with the component regiments of the British main or river column attempting to relieve Khartoum (i.e. those not present with the camel mounted forces at Abu Klea for example). Also trying to remember how some uniform details changed between 1882 when red tunics were still worn by and large, and the period of 1884-1885 when grey and khaki had come into widespread wear in most areas, as I am trying to put this fine looking Gordon Highander teaser figure into context.

Did I already say I am really excited about this new project from JJD.....

 

[PolarBear]

Since seeing these images earlier, I have been attempting to re-familiarize myself with the component regiments of the British main or river column attempting to relieve Khartoum (i.e. those not present with the camel mounted forces at Abu Klea for example). Also trying to remember how some uniform details changed between 1882 when red tunics were still worn by and large, and the period of 1884-1885 when grey and khaki had come into widespread wear in most areas, as I am trying to put this fine looking Gordon Highander teaser figure into context.

Did I already say I am really excited about this new project from JJD.....

Dave

Here is a good article on the uniforms

http://www.perry-miniatures.com/index2.html

You will need to get to this page

The Sudan, 1883-1885
Designed by Michael Perry
28mm Figures

With this range I intend to cover the British intervention in the Sudan –
from Hicks Pasha’s ill-fated expedition to the Battle of Ginniss,
including the Nile and Suakin campaigns.

You can now read Michael's article entitled 'The Sudan, 1883-1885 : A brief history and uniform guide'.

Please select a box set from the menu above or click for the complete index.--Select Sudan---Extras and that will link to the illustrated article

Order of Battle is in the Osprey Campaigns Khartoum

Randy

 

[marco55]

These are really nice looking figures.
Mark

 

[thebritfarmer]

I have to agree and I am not a fan of JJD style but these are just a little different. Very nicely sculpted and painted.

 

[PolarBear]

Since seeing these images earlier, I have been attempting to re-familiarize myself with the component regiments of the British main or river column attempting to relieve Khartoum (i.e. those not present with the camel mounted forces at Abu Klea for example). Also trying to remember how some uniform details changed between 1882 when red tunics were still worn by and large, and the period of 1884-1885 when grey and khaki had come into widespread wear in most areas, as I am trying to put this fine looking Gordon Highander teaser figure into context.

Did I already say I am really excited about this new project from
JJD.....

British Expeditionary Force

British army tried to reach Cairo through Alexandria but was stopped for five weeks at Kafr-el-Dawwar. In August, a British army of over 40,000, commanded by Garnet Wolseley, invaded the Suez Canal Zone. He was authorized to destroy Urabi's forces and clear the country of all other rebels.

Its order of battle was: British Expeditionary Force

Commander: Lieutenant General Sir Garnet Wolseley
Chief of Staff: Lieutenant General Sir John Adye


1st Division (Lt Gen GHS Willis)

1st (Guards) Infantry Brigade (Maj Gen HRH The Duke of Connaught)
2nd Battalion, Grenadier Guards
2nd Battalion, Coldstream Guards
1st Battalion, Scots Guards


2nd Infantry Brigade (Maj Gen Gerald Graham)
1st Battalion, The Buffs (Royal West Kent)
1st Battalion, Royal Irish Fusiliers (Princess Victoria’s)
2nd Battalion, Royal Irish Fusiliers (Princess Victoria’s)
2nd Battalion, York and Lancaster Regiment


Divisional Troops
19th Hussars (2 Sqns)
2nd Battalion, Duke of Cornwall’s Light Infantry
A Battery, 1st Field Brigade, Royal Artillery
D Battery, 1st Field Brigade, Royal Artillery
24 Field Company, Royal Engineers
12 Company, Army Commissariat and Transport Corps
1 Bearer Company, Army Hospital Corps (Half)
3 Field Hospital, Army Hospital Corps


2nd Division (Lt Gen Sir Edward Hamley)

3rd (Highland) Infantry Brigade (Maj Gen Sir Edward Alison)
2nd Battalion, Highland Light Infantry
1st Battalion, Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
1st Battalion, Cameron Highlanders
1st Battalion, Gordon Highlanders


4th Infantry Brigade (Maj Gen Sir Evelyn Wood VC)
1st Battalion, Royal Sussex Regiment
1st Battalion, Royal Berkshire Regiment (Princess Charlotte’s)
1st Battalion, South Staffordshire Regiment
1st Battalion, King’s Shropshire Light Infantry


Divisional Troops
19th Hussars (2 Sqns)
3rd Battalion, King’s Royal Rifle Corps
I Battery, 2nd Field Brigade, Royal Artillery
N Battery, 2nd Field Brigade, Royal Artillery
26 Field Company, Royal Engineers
11 Company, Army Commissariat and Transport Corps
2 Bearer Company, Army Hospital Corps (Half)
4 Field Hospital, Army Hospital Corps
5 Field Hospital, Army Hospital Corps


Indian Contingent (Maj Gen Sir Herbert Macpherson VC)
1st Battalion, Manchester Regiment
1st Battalion, Seaforth Highlanders
7th Bengal Infantry
20th Punjab Infantry
29th Baluch Infantry
7 (Mountain) Battery, Northern Division, Royal Garrison Artillery
(plus their own Commissariat, Engineers etc.)


Cavalry Division (Maj Gen Drury Curzon Drury Lowe)

1st (Heavy) Cavalry Brigade (Brig Gen Sir Baker Creed Russell)
Household Cavalry Regiment (1 Sqn each from the 1st Life Guards, 2nd Life Guards and Royal Horse Guards)
4th Dragoon Guards
7th Dragoon Guards


2nd (Bengal) Cavalry Brigade (Brig Gen HC Wilson)
2nd Bengal Cavalry
6th Bengal Cavalry
13th Bengal Lancers


Division Troops
N Battery, 1 Horse Brigade, Royal Horse Artillery
Mounted Infantry Battalion (formed from Mounted Coys of line infantry battalions)
17 Company, Army Commissariat and Transport
6 Field Hospital, Army Hospital Corps


Army Troops

Naval Brigade
Battalion, Royal Marine Light Infantry
G Battery, 2nd Horse Brigade, Royal Horse Artillery
F Battery, 1st Field Brigade, Royal Field Artillery
H Battery, 1st Field Brigade, RFA
C Battery, 3rd Field Brigade, RFA
J Battery, 3rd Field Brigade, RFA
T Battery, 3rd Field Brigade, RFA
Royal Marine Artillery
1 Battery, London Division, Royal Garrison Artillery
4 Battery, London Division, RGA
5 Battery, London Division, RGA
5 Battery, Scottish Division, RGA
6 Battery, Scottish Division, RGA


Army Train
A (Bridging) Troop, Royal Engineers
C (Telegraph) Troop, RE
Railway Troop, RE
8 Field Company, RE
17 Field Company, RE
18 Field Company, RE
A Company, Queen’s Own Madras Sappers and Miners
I Company, QOMS&M
8 Company, Army Commissariat and Transport Corps
15 Company, ACT Corps
Auxiliary Company, ACT Corps
2 Bearer Company, Army Hospital Corps
1 Field Hospital, AHC
3 Field Hospital, AHC
7 Field Hospital, AHC
8 Field Hospital, AHC

 

[Mister Dave]

Hey thanks for the link and the information in your previous post, Randy. I still have to find a few moments to check out that link. Also wanted to ask if the BEF listed here was the force that landed in Egypt in 1882? How much of this force lingered in the region after hostilities with the Egyptians had concluded and how much of this force had dispersed back to their postings in The Med., UK, India etc.....

To put it another way, was this essentially the same force that embarked on the Gordon Relief expedition in 84 or 85?

MD