Siege of Vienna line (1 Viewer)

[Gebhard]

I Would love to see First Legion them develop a line based around the Turkish war of European conquest and the Armies that stopped them cold outside the gates of Vienna in 1683. The box art showing the famed Winged Hussars is there, I tried to get some interest on another forum but only one collector showed any. I'm sure my friend Janusz would love to see it and already has a world class collection with which he would love add to any First Legion releases.
Just imagine your a Turkish Janissary the ground is shaking and it sounds like the very gates of Hell have opened up, your ordered to hold the line. Then comes the Polish King at the head of over 3000 winged Hussars making up part of the largest cavalry charge in history consisting of over 18,0000 Cavalry troops. They smash through your lines and drive straight to the heart of the Ottoman camps saving Vienna . It's the stuff of legend ...

 

[Gebhard]

A few more images to inspire the imagination :wink2:.

 

[Gebhard]

And a few more beautiful works of Art inspired by the legend.

The paintings by Mariusz Kozik are incredible. regards Gebhard

 

[jazzeum]

Gebs,

Do you know what was the theory behind the wings?

Brad

 

[marco55]

I think for FL to do a Polish Winged Hussar would probably be around $200 a figure.
Mark

 

[Gebhard]

I think for FL to do a Polish Winged Hussar would probably be around $200 a figure.
Mark

IMO that would be a deal but don't tell Matt:wink2: I do however hope they would be less.

Have you priced a Russian made pieces ? Try starting at $450.00.... that's why I'd love to see First Legion tackle them, amongst many other figures I'd love them to do ^&grin

 

[kogu]

Gebs,

Do you know what was the theory behind the wings?

Brad

A few ideas here, if you don't mind me chiming in, Brad and Gebs.

1. Beside the ornamental function, the wings had a ritual one - giving the rider 'the ease and speed of a bird carried by the wind'.

2. Supposedly a protective function too. The wings were supposed to hinder the use of a lasso, used by the nomadic people of the Asian and Russian steppes to snare horses and capture riders.

These two possible explanation were taken from me from the book "Cavalry, The History Of A Fighting Elite"

Another explanation I heard before, that the wings created a "rousing" noise, when the rider was at full charge, which must have gotten quite intimidating when the charge was carried out by 100's or up to more than 1000 of these amazing troops.

Hopefully, Gebs or other collectors, can help finding the reasoning for these wings.


If these guys get released, what a beautiful cavalry charge the collectors could set up.
Not only because of the Winged Hussars, but their opponents, the Turkish Cavalry, and the Janissary, should make for most impressive figures as well.

Konrad

 

[Gebhard]

Konrad,

Always great to see intelligent members chime in, that's what a forum is all about. Thanks for that, I'm sure Brad will be as grateful for such a thoughtful answer as am I. I'm with you, just amazing troops with a Battle record second to none in the glorious history of all time cavalry units. There was a study done in Russia by the Museum of History there, I was never able to find out the results of the field test it would have been interesting to see how they performed. I can only imagine what 1000's of these guys armed with lances could do to an enemy of the times.

 

[spartan71]

I am sold on the idea, I want to see some winged cavalry, someone brought it up a year or two ago. I was sold then too. I will just buy a few if it does cost $200 and up.

 

[DMNamiot]

A few ideas here, if you don't mind me chiming in, Brad and Gebs.

1. Beside the ornamental function, the wings had a ritual one - giving the rider 'the ease and speed of a bird carried by the wind'.

2. Supposedly a protective function too. The wings were supposed to hinder the use of a lasso, used by the nomadic people of the Asian and Russian steppes to snare horses and capture riders.

These two possible explanation were taken from me from the book "Cavalry, The History Of A Fighting Elite"

Another explanation I heard before, that the wings created a "rousing" noise, when the rider was at full charge, which must have gotten quite intimidating when the charge was carried out by 100's or up to more than 1000 of these amazing troops.

Hopefully, Gebs or other collectors, can help finding the reasoning for these wings.


If these guys get released, what a beautiful cavalry charge the collectors could set up.
Not only because of the Winged Hussars, but their opponents, the Turkish Cavalry, and the Janissary, should make for most impressive figures as well.

Konrad

Konrad has hit the nail on the head here. The wings were multi-purpose as he stated and according to the descriptions in the museums around Poland made a whistling noise that must have been magnified 1000 times when there were thousands of these heavy hussars charging across the fields at you. Interesting to think that psychological operations were in effect all those years ago! I would love to get some more of these amazing figures to go with the ones I picked up years ago from a dealer in Russia.

Dave

 

[Gebhard]

I am sold on the idea, I want to see some winged cavalry, someone brought it up a year or two ago. I was sold then too. I will just buy a few if it does cost $200 and up.

Great to have you on board again, We've been throwing around the idea since the paintings showed up on the first box of the 7YW figures about two years ago, fellow member and friend Janusz has a very high end collection of figures representing the period maybe he will look in and join the discussion as well. Would be nice to see his figures again.

 

[jazzeum]

Konrad,

Always great to see intelligent members chime in, that's what a forum is all about. Thanks for that, I'm sure Brad will be as grateful for such a thoughtful answer as am I. I'm with you, just amazing troops with a Battle record second to none in the glorious history of all time cavalry units. There was a study done in Russia by the Museum of History there, I was never able to find out the results of the field test it would have been interesting to see how they performed. I can only imagine what 1000's of these guys armed with lances could do to an enemy of the times.

Thank you Konrad and Gebs. I would have to think the appearance and sound of the wings would be quite intimidating.

It sounds like a great idea for a range and I hope Matt gives or is giving it serious thought.

Brad

 

[marco55]

I love Janusz collection,including the Turks.
Mark

 

[nysoldiers]

Very difficult to pack and ship, maybe the wings can come separate for attachment.
I have some Russian made Polish Hussars and they are quite fragile.
Would also like to see the earlier siege of Vienna where the Landsknecht figures can be used against the Turks.

 

[janusz]

I Would love to see First Legion them develop a line based around the Turkish war of European conquest and the Armies that stopped them cold outside the gates of Vienna in 1683. The box art showing the famed Winged Hussars is there, I tried to get some interest on another forum but only one collector showed any. I'm sure my friend Janusz would love to see it and already has a world class collection with which he would love add to any First Legion releases.
Just imagine your a Turkish Janissary the ground is shaking and it sounds like the very gates of Hell have opened up, your ordered to hold the line. Then comes the Polish King at the head of over 3000 winged Hussars making up part of the largest cavalry charge in history consisting of over 18,0000 Cavalry troops. They smash through your lines and drive straight to the heart of the Ottoman camps saving Vienna . It's the stuff of legend ...

Indeed I would love to see them comming from First Legion.
The pictures on boxes below are like a promise.... We are waiting Matt!
Not only for Polish Winged Hussars but also for Turkish, particullary Janissaries, and all other troops from this conflict.

Gebhard, looking to you post title, before reading it, I already thought you have some news from Matt...

Janusz

 

[janusz]

I think for FL to do a Polish Winged Hussar would probably be around $200 a figure.
Mark

Right, but no price could stop me from buing them all....

 

[janusz]

I love Janusz collection,including the Turks.
Mark

I love my collection, too...

 

[janusz]

A few ideas here, if you don't mind me chiming in, Brad and Gebs.

1. Beside the ornamental function, the wings had a ritual one - giving the rider 'the ease and speed of a bird carried by the wind'.

2. Supposedly a protective function too. The wings were supposed to hinder the use of a lasso, used by the nomadic people of the Asian and Russian steppes to snare horses and capture riders.

These two possible explanation were taken from me from the book "Cavalry, The History Of A Fighting Elite"

Another explanation I heard before, that the wings created a "rousing" noise, when the rider was at full charge, which must have gotten quite intimidating when the charge was carried out by 100's or up to more than 1000 of these amazing troops.

Hopefully, Gebs or other collectors, can help finding the reasoning for these wings.


If these guys get released, what a beautiful cavalry charge the collectors could set up.
Not only because of the Winged Hussars, but their opponents, the Turkish Cavalry, and the Janissary, should make for most impressive figures as well.

Konrad

All is right. I think I have read somewhere that in the beginning it was just something with protective function against lasso, as Konrad says above, fixed to the saddle. Not sure if feathers were there from beginning, for sure for long time there was only one "wing". Later when polish hussars became elite, with very expensive armor and horses, also wings evoluated, some hussars got 2 wings fixed to their back.

About the noise generated by wings, this theory was popular in the past, but seems to be stopped now. Some tests showed that in the battle noise, with charging very heavy horses + riders, noise made by wings, if any, is not hearable or not recognisable by second army. I only say what I heard, I never had pleasure to stand agains charging winged hussars army (thanks god), so don't know.

I think most important was psychological effect. Many battles were won because opponents simply got panic. PWH were like tanks agains infantry. I don't want to start writing here now how many battles they won during more than hunderd years of their history, but really most of the times opponents were a few times more numerous, and always lost.

Janusz

 

[janusz]

So I have just a few of them, and they are really wating for reinforcements and more Turkish to beat!











Sorry for poor photos, my better camera is broken. But you can watch them better here http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/forum/showthread.php?51046-Polish-Winged-Hussars

Cheers
Janusz

 

[Gebhard]

So I have just a few of them, and they are really wating for reinforcements and more Turkish to beat!

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Sorry for poor photos, my better camera is broken. But you can watch them better here http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/forum/showthread.php?51046-Polish-Winged-Hussars

Cheers
Janusz

Absolutely world class collection, thanks for posting the new photo's :salute:::salute:::salute::. No news to report from Matt , but we can dream .. Picked up a few catalog books of the photographed collection of Turkish items on display from the collection of the former King's of Saxony last year which I viewed. The quality of the Turkish items is incredible to behold, can understand why they were in vogue in Europe. Love the Janissary figures just beautifully done what a shame to run them over :wink2:. best Regards Gebhard