Special wehrmacht supplement! (1 Viewer)

[1st Rifle Brigade]

Hello gentlemen,

Love these new early war figures, just wondered if anyone noticed that the "Marching MG34 Gunner" is carrying what looks like an MG42! I hope this is corrected for the production run. For the history buffs out there, the MG42 was not around in 1940-41.

These figures look good and have great character. A little bit upset about the price, keeps going up, but I could always sell the farm! Oh, I already did!

Happy collecting!

Rif

 

[Blowtorch]

Hello gentlemen,

Love these new early war figures, just wondered if anyone noticed that the "Marching MG34 Gunner" is carrying what looks like an MG42! I hope this is corrected for the production run. For the history buffs out there, the MG42 was not around in 1940-41.

Can't say I've ever seen it in 1942 either.

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Hello gentlemen,

Love these new early war figures, just wondered if anyone noticed that the "Marching MG34 Gunner" is carrying what looks like an MG42! I hope this is corrected for the production run. For the history buffs out there, the MG42 was not around in 1940-41.

These figures look good and have great character. A little bit upset about the price, keeps going up, but I could always sell the farm! Oh, I already did!

Happy collecting!

Rif

The MG34 title was caught almost immediately by some. I would think it would be easier to simply change the name title of the figure to MG42 Gunner.This would make
it a late war figure but very feasable as there should be nothing wrong at all with a Grey uniformed Wehrmacht soldier carrying the weapon. Most of the Normandy
coastal defenders on D-Day wore field grey while the SS reinforcement units were wearing camo. Unless I am missing something here changing the name of the figure
should do the trick !

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Can't say I've ever seen it in 1942 either.

The MG42 was in 1942 in North Afrika and on the Eastern front. Production began in 1942 and almost 20,000 were made. The Grey tunic was used to 1944 so the MG42 and grey tunic did appear on the same battlefield late in the North Afrika campaign and in the second year on the Eastern Front. But obviously not in France in 1940.

Terry

 

[waynepoo]

The MG34 title was caught almost immediately by some. I would think it would be easier to simply change the name title of the figure to MG42 Gunner.This would make
it a late war figure but very feasable as there should be nothing wrong at all with a Grey uniformed Wehrmacht soldier carrying the weapon. Most of the Normandy
coastal defenders on D-Day wore field grey while the SS reinforcement units were wearing camo. Unless I am missing something here changing the name of the figure
should do the trick !

Hit the nail right on the head there PA, also 'could be' was used in the general description and in the end it is up to the collector how he/she uses the figures....:wink2:
Wayne.

 

[Blowtorch]

The MG42 was in 1942 in North Afrika and on the Eastern front. Production began in 1942 and almost 20,000 were made. The Grey tunic was used to 1944 so the MG42 and grey tunic did appear on the same battlefield late in the North Afrika campaign and in the second year on the Eastern Front. But obviously not in France in 1940.

Terry

I've seen lots of pics of Op Blue & Stalingrad & I've never seen one. Could it be that they were issued to reforming units in France?

 

[Lo1863]

Call this a noob question but here it goes...
I take it these new figures can only really be used for early war correct? And is that 1942 and earlier? I thought that the Wehrmacht still had gray uniforms all through the war but could be wrong. I know some had camo as well such as these ( http://www.sierratoysoldier.com/ourstore/pc/-Get-Ready-406p4915.htm).

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Hit the nail right on the head there PA, also 'could be' was used in the general description and in the end it is up to the collector how he/she uses the figures....:wink2:
Wayne.

Thanks Wayne ! Simply change the name to MG42 gunner and its a done deal. Like the old saying goes.......Change the name to protect the "innocent"
As long as the weapon and uniform combination can be matched and are accurate as they are, then no problem to me. I am looking forward to adding these new
grey's to my loot so to speak :wink2:

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I've seen lots of pics of Op Blue & Stalingrad & I've never seen one. Could it be that they were issued to reforming units in France?

I don't have any photos in use. But I do know the MG43 was used in North Afrika because I've read remarks it didn't foul with sand like the MG34. And in Russia, the bolt was designed to be worked with gloves on - an improvement over the MG34 and it was used in Russia by the winter of 1942. I have no idea what units got them first.

Terry

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Call this a noob question but here it goes...
I take it these new figures can only really be used for early war correct? And is that 1942 and earlier? I thought that the Wehrmacht still had gray uniforms all through the war but could be wrong. I know some had camo as well such as these ( http://www.sierratoysoldier.com/ourstore/pc/-Get-Ready-406p4915.htm).

There were 3 or 4 versions of the grey uniform with small differences and they were used all through the war, even after the introduction of camo patterns. I don't think it would be easy to match the uniforms to various units at different times.

Terry

 

[fmethorst]

I've seen lots of pics of Op Blue & Stalingrad & I've never seen one. Could it be that they were issued to reforming units in France?

I think the first mass deployment of the MG42 was during the third battle of Kharkov in early 1943.

Production of the MG42 began March 1942

Offical date of adoption as standard MG was October 12, 1943

 

[1st Rifle Brigade]

Thanks Wayne ! Simply change the name to MG42 gunner and its a done deal. Like the old saying goes.......Change the name to protect the "innocent"
As long as the weapon and uniform combination can be matched and are accurate as they are, then no problem to me. I am looking forward to adding these new
grey's to my loot so to speak :wink2:

Yes of course they can be used as mid-late war Germans, but my point was that K&C are marketing them as early war Germans. Battle of France, etc.

Rif

 

[fmethorst]

Call this a noob question but here it goes...
I take it these new figures can only really be used for early war correct? And is that 1942 and earlier? I thought that the Wehrmacht still had gray uniforms all through the war but could be wrong. I know some had camo as well such as these ( http://www.sierratoysoldier.com/ourstore/pc/-Get-Ready-406p4915.htm).

The field grey (feldgrau) uniform was used to the very end. As Terry noted there were several variations 1935, 1940, 1942, 1944. Production was simplified as the war progressed (i.e. the gusseted pockets were changed in 1942 to a flat pocket) and the quality of the wool decreased as the war progressed and generally changed from feldgrau which was greenish grey to slate grey. Since the the earlier tunics were better quality and looked better it was common practice for soldiers to modify their later tunics to look more like earlier tunics. Here is a picture taken in Normandy in 1944 which illustrates the wide variety of tunics seen. Note the mix of mid length and ankle boots as well. For me the only thing out of place later in the war would be the tall boot.

 

[Lo1863]

Thanks guys! I guess I was just wondering if it would be okay to use these "early" German figures with other more "late" war German figures.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Thanks guys! I guess I was just wondering if it would be okay to use these "early" German figures with other more "late" war German figures.

Yes it would be ok. I think the main thing is to not have a scenario which has equipment that didn't appear till later in the war. The new figure with the MG42 would look out of place in France 1940 but thye were in production and some units had the MG42 by mid-1942. The MG34 was used right to the end of the war.

Terry

 

[DM101]

Yes it would be ok. I think the main thing is to not have a scenario which has equipment that didn't appear till later in the war. The new figure with the MG42 would look out of place in France 1940 but thye were in production and some units had the MG42 by mid-1942. The MG34 was used right to the end of the war.

Terry

You guys really are experts. I googled and found some mg 34 vs 42 interesting write-out here

http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/ttt/comparison-german-machine-guns-mg34-mg42.html

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Yes of course they can be used as mid-late war Germans, but my point was that K&C are marketing them as early war Germans. Battle of France, etc.

Rif

If I were Andy I would "rename the figure MG42 Gunner" and be done with it. Has anyone figured out if the Opel Truck will be released in Grey also ^&confuse

 

[Blowtorch]

Yes it would be ok. I think the main thing is to not have a scenario which has equipment that didn't appear till later in the war. The new figure with the MG42 would look out of place in France 1940 but thye were in production and some units had the MG42 by mid-1942. The MG34 was used right to the end of the war.

Terry

Here's what can make people happy: these guys have just been pulled out of Russia after a nasty Russian winter & sent to quiet France to refit, hence their appearance. They've been given this nifty new MG42 to train on. The only thing missing is a signpost that says 'Dieppe'

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Here's what can make people happy: these guys have just been pulled out of Russia after a nasty Russian winter & sent to quiet France to refit, hence their appearance. They've been given this nifty new MG42 to train on. The only thing missing is a signpost that says 'Dieppe'

Or even more simply they could be mid war in Italy, Greece or Yugoslavia or late war in France. They are versatile figures with only the MG42 figure suitable for only Russia mid-1942 or Western Europe from D-Day or Italy from late 1943.

Terry

 

[braddinpa]

Really like the Rommel figure as well as the 222 and 3 soldiers. They are must have in my book! Brad