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Gebhard
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I'd like to see them make new and better figures, they were nice but I think they can and will do better figures down the road for the same theme. I'd hate to see them waste precious factory time just rehashing the same thing over and over.
I dont know about that , TC001 and TC003 were good quality, and everybody needs a tanker with binos! I got see TC008 @ one of the shows, the facial sculpt was awful!! It's face was so thin, it looks like someone squished it!! Now that is what a call a waste of factory time!
And the Panzers..
Gebhard
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I happen to like mine and think if fits well with other figures they have released to form a crew at rest. The one enjoying a smoke before going into action is also a favorite. Its all about choices and we buy what we enjoy. I happen to enjoy these, if others don't that's fine with me as well.
Gebhard
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Just for the record the German Assault gun crews of WWII wore uniforms (wraps) and trousers made of grey material and Panzer crews wore uniforms made of black material.
Therefore the FL figures made for the StuG would not go with my Figarti Panther that's why they are with my Stugs. regards Gebhard
Therefore the FL figures made for the StuG would not go with my Figarti Panther that's why they are with my Stugs. regards Gebhard
During the latter part of WW II the panzerwaffe in Jagdpanzer and Panzerjager units wore either black or grey uniforms depending upon what was available. Should I choose to use a Grey uniformed Panzerwaffe figure with a Panther G or Tiger I, I would apply a bit of black acrylic paint to resolve the issue. Several very nice figures from various manufacturers have used inaccurate camo uniforms or trousers. A problem also easily corrected with flat black acrylic.
Gebhard
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Do you have any information you could provide to support your statement regarding uniform color change towards the latter part of WWII ? I'm always interested in learning.
Also could you provide me the code numbers of the FL figures you consider to have inaccurate camo uniforms or trousers ?
Thanks Gebhard
Their is an excellent website on Panzerwaffe uniforms which I will try to relocate; the link is now dead. Panzergrenader and Waffen SS Jagdpanzer and Panzerjager units wore Black. The directives as to uniform color changed several times during the war. The late war Panzerwaffe wore whatever was available due to shortages. Herr Artillery units wore Grey typically; but Stugs and Nashorns attached to Panzerjager Abt. wore Black. A Google search of Panzerjager and Jagdpanzer WW II images will show crew in Black uniforms in many instances.
The figures I was referring to that had inaccurate camo patterns were not First Legion figures. One was K&C and the other was the Figarti Panther G Kommander; which came with tan trousers. I repainted the trousers black on both figures and I also repainted the Binoculars black. Tan Binoculars are strange; even if they were that color originaly they would soon darken due to handling.
The figures I was referring to that had inaccurate camo patterns were not First Legion figures. One was K&C and the other was the Figarti Panther G Kommander; which came with tan trousers. I repainted the trousers black on both figures and I also repainted the Binoculars black. Tan Binoculars are strange; even if they were that color originaly they would soon darken due to handling.
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Panzergrenader units were mechanized infantry and were issued with infantry model uniforms, and never issued uniforms in black period. In fact there was never any model of Tunic used by the infantry of the Germany army during WWII that was issued in black except for models specifically issued for crews known as wraps which are of a totally different cut and tunic.
I would be careful using google images which have no context. An image showing a crew standing next to anything doesn't even mean they were the crew.
I don't use google to do research. If you could provide a directive number mentioning the changes you reference that would be helpful.
And you were not making reference to FL figures regarding camo patterns or trouser mistakes ... Thanks Gebhard
I agree Panzergrenaders were mechanized infantry; however the Grossduetschland PG Division included integral Panzer and Panzerjager units that wore black uniforms. WW II photos are valuable research tools if used intelligently. Google is also a valuable research tool; as is Bing et.al.
The researcher is responsible for the quality of the research and the validation of sources IMO.
The researcher is responsible for the quality of the research and the validation of sources IMO.
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Looking into this it seems there are no clear rules that always apply. A few rules of thumb seem to hold true in most cases:
Generally StuG crews wore grey, except when they were part of a Panzer or Panzergrenadier division. Then they often wore panzer black.
Jagdpanzer crews more often wore black, but it depended on what their history was. Some units that grew out of Sturmartillerie kept their grey wraps.
For halftrack crews, they usually wore grey unless they were considered part of a Panzer Aufklarung such as armored car or armored scout halftrack (Sd Kfz 250/9) and then they wore black.
Generally StuG crews wore grey, except when they were part of a Panzer or Panzergrenadier division. Then they often wore panzer black.
Jagdpanzer crews more often wore black, but it depended on what their history was. Some units that grew out of Sturmartillerie kept their grey wraps.
For halftrack crews, they usually wore grey unless they were considered part of a Panzer Aufklarung such as armored car or armored scout halftrack (Sd Kfz 250/9) and then they wore black.
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Here is a quote with reference from Feldgrau:
Not a dumb question at all, rather a very difficult and confused subject to understand. These units wore their own Waffenfarbe, but what that Waffenfarbe was often depended on their unit. The Panzergr-Regt. and Panzerfüsilier-Regt. of GD wore white piping on their Sturmartillerie uniforms issued in January, 1944 since that was the only color worn as Waffenfarbe by this division.
An example of a just plain chaotic war situation is PG-Lehr-Regtr. 901 and 902 of Panzer-Lehr-Division. In the spring of 1944 they were outfitted in Sturmartillerie uniforms with meadow green piping. After the heavy fighting in Normandy their unifoms were in poor condition. One of their supply officers located a stock of Sturmartillerie uniforms, but with golden yellow piping. These units wore golden yellow Waffenfarbe for the rest of the war; not because it was correct but because it was on the uniforms they were issued.
The black Panzer uniform in SPW's usually would only be worn by PAA units. They wore either gold yellow or rose pink depending on their units(PAA of Panzer-Divisionen 1-5 wore rose pink thru out the war regardless of regulations.)
Most of this information is from Bob Edwards' and Mike Pruett's book FIELD UNIFORMS OF THE GERMAN ARMY PANZER FORCES IN WORLD WAR 2.
Not a dumb question at all, rather a very difficult and confused subject to understand. These units wore their own Waffenfarbe, but what that Waffenfarbe was often depended on their unit. The Panzergr-Regt. and Panzerfüsilier-Regt. of GD wore white piping on their Sturmartillerie uniforms issued in January, 1944 since that was the only color worn as Waffenfarbe by this division.
An example of a just plain chaotic war situation is PG-Lehr-Regtr. 901 and 902 of Panzer-Lehr-Division. In the spring of 1944 they were outfitted in Sturmartillerie uniforms with meadow green piping. After the heavy fighting in Normandy their unifoms were in poor condition. One of their supply officers located a stock of Sturmartillerie uniforms, but with golden yellow piping. These units wore golden yellow Waffenfarbe for the rest of the war; not because it was correct but because it was on the uniforms they were issued.
The black Panzer uniform in SPW's usually would only be worn by PAA units. They wore either gold yellow or rose pink depending on their units(PAA of Panzer-Divisionen 1-5 wore rose pink thru out the war regardless of regulations.)
Most of this information is from Bob Edwards' and Mike Pruett's book FIELD UNIFORMS OF THE GERMAN ARMY PANZER FORCES IN WORLD WAR 2.
The Panzer Lehr divison Panzergrenadiers wore Panzerwaffe style wrappers; a very distinctive uniform! GD and PL were the premier Herr Panzer divisions and their equipment and uniforms were as good as the Waffen SS.
Bradely 30 is correct in pointing out that as the war progressed and shortages developed you wore what was available. Early war edicts no longer applied and many strange combinations were prevalent. The US Army called such impovizations field expediants.
Bradely 30 is correct in pointing out that as the war progressed and shortages developed you wore what was available. Early war edicts no longer applied and many strange combinations were prevalent. The US Army called such impovizations field expediants.
You bet....Totally agree:salute::
Gebhard
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Please be specific, are you saying that Germany made uniforms that were issued to Panzergrenadiers that were black?? That is to say starting with the M36 up to and including the last model issued the M44/45 were made and issued in black ??
And to get back on track to my original statement that the assault gunner figures FL made would not represent a crew for my Figarti Panther. Do you agree or not ??
Thanks, this just seems like its becoming a lot more complicated then it needs to be.