Tom Brady's SB 49 and SB 51 Shirts FOUND!!! (1 Viewer)

[gk5717]

I understand why the FBI had jurisdiction to investigate this matter but there is a significant difference between a jersey and a piece of art; the FBI has an art theft program, by the way.

I think this is more a question of what people seem to value in this society rather than a question of whether the FBI should have been involved. That people seem more concerned with a piece of cloth (based upon the attention this case has garnered) than theft of artworks (which often get relegated to the arts section of the newspapers) is a sad commentary on today's society.

I recognize that memorabilia is a big business but it's not one I hold in high regard. For example, just in the NY metro area, the Yankees will do anything to profit from so called memorabilia and how many ads do we see urging us to buy a so called "limited" bat or football. It's a business made up of hucksters. PT Barnum would have approved.

Brad as you know my main hobby the last few years is collecting NHL game worn jerseys. It has surpassed and relegated soldiers into second place. So what ones interest in collecting is a personal preference. As for art work vs Bradys jersey. I truely would rather have the jersey than some painting. Again just personal preference. But back to the origional point. Stealing is stealing is stealing,PERIOD!
Gary

 

[Combat]

The FBI doesn't have jurisdiction over every crime or just because a stolen object is valuable. A lot of stuff gets stolen without the FBI getting involved. It seems like the concern here, though, is one of resource allocation and priorities. How much time was wasted and money spent by the FBI solving this crime instead of allocating those resources to more dangerous criminals and terrorists? This strikes me as something more along the lines of Hoover's FBI always looking for good PR and taking all the credit. Regardless, it is over and done with and should be relegated to the dust bin of pointless news.

 

[zblang]

Local PD has no jurisdiction in other states, counties, etc. and especially not in other countries. So what everyone is basically saying is if you steal something of high value, get it into Mexico and you're free!

Everyone has to stop looking at this as a jersey - that isn't the point.
It was a special, one of a kind item valued at over $500,000

So yes, a painting is more important to me, but if FBI resources are ok to recover that, they are ok to recover the jersey. The fact that it was a jersey is leading a lot of the arguments astray.

 

[BLReed]

I certainly don't want somebody's dirty laundry, but there is some art
that I consider trash. The "pig" painting for example. So the FBI should
only use tax payer funds for theft if losers agree, instead of enforcing the law.
That's a new concept.

Get over it. The Patriots won, and Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback.

 

[jazzeum]

Local PD has no jurisdiction in other states, counties, etc. and especially not in other countries. So what everyone is basically saying is if you steal something of high value, get it into Mexico and you're free!

Everyone has to stop looking at this as a jersey - that isn't the point.
It was a special, one of a kind item valued at over $500,000

So yes, a painting is more important to me, but if FBI resources are ok to recover that, they are ok to recover the jersey. The fact that it was a jersey is leading a lot of the arguments astray.

Your opinion is colored by the fact that you're a Patriots fan; you're not free of bias on this one.

It's a piece of cloth and certainly not intrinsically unique unlike a Rembrandt or a Degas painting which is a one of a kind item.

 

[zblang]

Brad we have an item valued at $500,000. I think your biased as well...I've been saying for four posts now that what the item is should not matter.

Does the penal code specify the worth to the individual or just the value? What the item is couldn't be more irrelevant

 

[gk5717]

Your opinion is colored by the fact that you're a Patriots fan; you're not free of bias on this one.

It's a piece of cloth and certainly not intrinsically unique unlike a Rembrandt or a Degas painting which is a one of a kind item.

Brad the jersey is certainly "intrinsically unique". It was worn in a super bowl game by the one of the best quarterbacks in NFL history, in one of the most exciting super bowl games in history. I would qualify that as being "intrinscally unique" and not just a piece of cloth. That's like saying a Rembrandt is just a piece of canvas some guy finger painted on years ago.
Your turn!
Gary

 

[jazzeum]

Before this absurd conversation goes any further, I will revert to my first comment and emphasize that what this society values is misplaced. I'm finished with this thread so as you were.

 

[Vezzolf]

Before this absurd conversation goes any further, I will revert to my first comment and emphasize that what this society values is misplaced. I'm finished with this thread so as you were.

Completely agree Brad, Just forget it man...It is indeed absurd that this is considered important to some of the simple minded NFL sheep........That "valuable" sweaty rag has been found... now we can all rest EZ:rolleyes2:....HIP HIP HOORAY....PS ...I wonder if both of Eli Manning's sweaty Super Bowl jerseys are more valuable since he twice defeated the greatest quarterback ever in the NFL in TWO super bowls...:wink2:.....LOL LOL LOL ^&grin^&grin^&grin

 

[Combat]

The FBI is a federal law enforcement agency. It has jurisdiction over specified federal crimes. It does not have jurisdiction to investigate simply because a stolen item is valuable. Regardless, the larger point is that resources devoted to the recovery of a football jersey are resources taken away from investigations of terrorists and dangerous criminals. No reasonable person could suggest that the FBI should be wasting its time finding a jersey - regardless of value - when there are plenty of dangerous people on the loose.

 

[BLReed]

....?......

The FBI has some 46,000 agents. I'm sure they can work in a few easy cases probably
just by assisting local authorities. Where the local authorities let them. That's a much
bigger problem as far as dangerous criminals.

Most of the work was done by other agencies. including Mexican. Maybe they all
were Patriots fans.

 

[Vezzolf]

The FBI is a federal law enforcement agency. It has jurisdiction over specified federal crimes. It does not have jurisdiction to investigate simply because a stolen item is valuable. Regardless, the larger point is that resources devoted to the recovery of a football jersey are resources taken away from investigations of terrorists and dangerous criminals. No reasonable person could suggest that the FBI should be wasting its time finding a jersey - regardless of value - when there are plenty of dangerous people on the loose.

Great Post.:salute::

 

[hotel3alpha]

Good Morning fellow barristers, justices and toy soldier snobs!

I too am happy that Mr. Brady's jersey was located and returned to its rightful owner...Mr. Brady. It is a shame that it had to come to this and let alone of Texas soil. I mean the huevos this guy had to impersonate a reporter and walk out with Mr. Brady's jersey. Moreover, how he was able to simply walk into the locker room and peruse around and pick up a couple of mementos? No clue how that happened. Maybe a couple of Patriot ball boys get fired for that one too.

Since the FBI is hot on the Super Bowl momemto trail I hope they go and get Robert Krafts Super Bowl Ring that was stolen by Putin back in 2005. In fact, I think it should be a high priority and that too is a Patriot treasure. While they are in the air, they can go to Playa Del Carmen and bring me back my wallet that I dropped in the Supermarket...my VA ID was in there Texas DL, 100 pesos, a $20 spot, and a baggage ticket...it was a orange leather UT Longhorn bill fold with a magnetic bill holder. The longhorn was branded onto the leather and is a University of Texas national treasure.

Anyway, I MAY be in Boston in April...MAY...and if I am I hope to view the Jersey (salsa stains and all) at the Boston Museum of Fine Arts.

John from Texas

 

[Panzer ace]

I am just glad that none of my Texas state income tax went towards this.

Oh wait, there is not state income tax in the Great State of Texas.