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Davout71

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I am thinking of purchasing some unpainted kits for the first time. This is due to the price and flexibility and also looking at another member's figures that he had painted.
My painting experience is only with plastics. Can anyone give me a basic run down of what would be required to paint a tradition figure? What state do they arrive in? Can they be painted immediately or do they require sanding or filing of some kind? I assume they also need gluing together.
 
Jeff is the forum 'Tradition Master', but from looking at his step by steps in the painting how to section, they arrive in kit form, so will need assembly with CA / Super glue or similar. The castings look clean, so there doesn't appear to be too much cleaning up required in terms of filing.

I would suggest once assembled, a coat of primer (I use grey auto/car primer), followed by the paint of your choice. Once finished, I would give the figure(s) a coat of some sealant to protect them.

If you have a look through the How to Painting section, you'll see a fair few threads of Jeffs, where he takes you through the process step by step.

Simon
 
I would agree with most of what Simon says (not sure about the Master bit) - the kits come in varying numbers of parts and will require a super glue to attach them. I use the gel type as this helps with filling up any (usually none at all) gaps in the joints. Try a dry run positioning the parts before glueing. They all come with a colour photo of the finished figure, but there is always loads of detail then can be added if so wished.

Hope you have fun and any problems just ask and we will try to help.

Regards

Jeff
 
Thanks for your advice. I have taken a bit of a look in the painting section but I think I should do more research before starting the actual process.
 
Hi I agree with Wraith and Jef (Jeff you are far too modest)The only thing I would add is if you are assembling horses you are better to use a 2 part epoxy glue to put them together it is far stronger(the tradition horses are heavy pieces of metal) and does fill the gaps well, only requiring a light filing after with a mouse tail file,please take at my album

Cheers John
 
Thanks again all. By the way I found the great step by step thread in the painting forum which relates to almost the same Tradition FIW figures I was after. It will be very useful.
 
Hi Davout71,
which ones of the Tradition FIW castings will you be getting?
If the time allows I might give it myself a try to add to the sets I have from Jeff.
 
Hi,
I really liked the idea that was in the painting section with the indians, some rangers and regulars which Jeff and Simon were working on. I think the figures are an outstanding selection. The paint work was also inspiring.
I thought I would vary it a little from their selection as I really like the look of the grenadiers that they have available.
An ideal selection would be one that could match Benjamin West's Death of General Wolfe. I am going away for a holiday soon but as soon as I get back I am going to order my selection.
 
Hi, davout, since you're interested in Tradition's kit figures, if I may, I'd like to show another example of how they paint up.

These are British infantry from the Seven Years War, that I painted as the 20th Foot:

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I find that the figures are well-sculpted and well-cast, are very clean, the parts fit together well, and the detail is such that it makes it easy to paint them. With a little effort, you can make some really nice-looking figures, and do a better job than Tradition's own factory paint job.

You've made a good choice, please post some pictures of your figures!

Prost!
Brad
 
Gee great work. They look excellent. I am not sure if I will reach as good a standard of painting but will be sure to post once finished. Just out of interest did you use all gloss paints or try matt with gloss finish?
 
I painted the following firures using HUMBROL Matte Enamels and used Model Master Gloss Clear Lacquer Finish to archive the Glossy Finish.....The Lt.

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Thank you, very much! I use gloss enamels and acrylics, but also matte, if its a color I can't find in gloss. I coat everything with Future, anyway (Johnson sells it as Kleer in the rest of the world), to help seal it.

I think you'll do well, the quality of the castings is such that there is a lot of raised detail cast into the figure, so you just paint what's there. I did modify the regimental color, though; it had the number of another regiment, so I filed that off and just painted "XX" for the 20th. But if I remember correctly, even the borders of the grand union in the upper left corner were engraved in the casting.

This series of French-and-Indian War/Seven Years War is a boon to all of us collectors of the period. Before Tradition brought them out, I never saw any castings from any contemporary makers. I had to be happy with old Staddens or Rose (Gammage) castings, otherwise, British and French line were hard to find.

Hope to see your work soon, prosit!
Brad
 
Do you know a good resource apart from Osprey books for Grenadier uniform colours for this period? I don't think I want to go with the yellow facings as per the Tradition painted models.

By the way Lt. I like your job on the Zulu Wars figures. Is the hospital the Britains one?
 
I painted the following firures using HUMBROL Matte Enamels and used Model Master Gloss Clear Lacquer Finish to archive the Glossy Finish.....The Lt.

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Joe

Did you spray or paint on the MM gloss?

They turned out really nice.
 
Do you know a good resource apart from Osprey books for Grenadier uniform colours for this period? I don't think I want to go with the yellow facings as per the Tradition painted models.

By the way Lt. I like your job on the Zulu Wars figures. Is the hospital the Britains one?

I agree on the Osprey books, especially if you're talking about the 3 volumes, "King George's Army". There's more information in them about how officers bought commissions, and what the Scots did, than any kind of good uniform information. I don't see how hard it would have been to have organized those books like the series on the Prussian or Austrian armies, with everything organized by regiment-"Here's the regiment, here are their uniform details, facing colors, regimental standards", etc.

To illustrate how bad they are: On Saturday, I had to look up the button color for the British regiments. I didn't know if they matched the lace color, as the Prussians and Austrians did: tin/silver for white lace, brass for gold lace. I went through each of those three volumes and found not one word on the subject. So I went to my next closest reference, Mollo's "Uniforms of the American Revolution". In it, I found a note that said that all British rank and file wore tin buttons, and officers had buttons that matched the lace. I don't know if that applied in the Seven Years War, but at least it was something.

So, I've mentioned one of my other sources, "Uniforms of the American Revolution". As the title indicates, it covers that war, but it does reference the French and Indian War to a degree, and Mollo includes some discussion in the changes to the Royal Clothing Warrants, and text descriptions for each illustration, whatever the regiment.

And other source is the Partizan press series, although I only have the title from that line on the Prussian and allied armies in the Seven Years War. But the book does include a section on the British army, and also, it's written by a wargamer, and I think he thought of fellow for wargamers, the book contains tables and diagrams listing things by regiments. I'll check it when I get home tonight and post back on the quality of the author's info on the British army.

Then there's Mollo's "Uniforms of the Seven Years War", and another little hardbound book called "Uniforms through History", or something similar, I'll check that title and author, too, when I get home tonight. But it's laid out like Mollo's books, with numbered plates/pictures, and then text descriptions for each one. That's where I got my illustration of the 20th Foot at Minden.

Apart from those printed sources, I've used the Internet. For those regiments that are still in existence, and even those that were amalgamated, many maintain websites, and some include pictures from their history.

Hope that helps, prost!
Brad
 
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I forgot another source that I've used in the past, a French website called Nec Pluribus Impar, http://vial.jean.free.fr/new_npi

It's got a good archive of articles, very heavy on the French, of course, but also with some good info on the other armies in the Seven Years War.

The editor used to publish bi-monthly, then went inactive for a couple of years. Now he's back, but I think he's going to publish new material semi-annually. But the archives are available, and though most of the text is in French, some articles are in English. Many of the uniform depictions are in the schematic style popular among the Europeans, too, so they're relatively easy to follow.

Another place to look, though it's a commercial site, is Conrad Schulte's site, Fredericus Rex, www.fredericus-rex.de. Conny sells a number of uniform plates on CD, it might be worth browsing his catalog, to see if you find what you're looking for there.

Prost!
Brad
 
Hi, all, the title of the book that I couldn't remember yesterday is "Uniforms in Color", by Preben Kannik.

Prost!
Brad
 
Do you know a good resource apart from Osprey books for Grenadier uniform colours for this period? I don't think I want to go with the yellow facings as per the Tradition painted models.

By the way Lt. I like your job on the Zulu Wars figures. Is the hospital the Britains one?

These might be helpfull.

Jeff
 

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............and these.

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Those are fantastic, Jeff, and much better than the material in the Osprey series. Where did you find them?

Prost!
Brad
 

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