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HB120050

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First off, I join many other enthusiastic collectors who are thrilled to see the launch of a new U-Boat model. The pre-release photos are exciting and the project is so well executed. It's my number 1 must see at the Chicago Toy Show coming up next month where I fully expect it will become my number 1 must buy item.

One detail however got my immediate attention when I first saw the photos of U-96 - the rivets! First I thought, well they kind of stand out, but probably necessary due to production limitation. However, on further thought, I didn't think they belong there at all. I live in the Chicago area and I've visited the U-505 at the Museum of Science and Industry more than a dozen times and the outer skin of the upper structure of that boat has smooth welded seams, not rivets, holding it together. Knowing however that U-96 was an earlier boat and a Type 7 rather than the Type 9 U-505, there could be some differences. So I started looking at photos of U-Boats on line and found that, other than a couple of photos of very early boats from the 1930s, all were without rivets including actual photos of U-96. I also found a reference to shipbuilders getting away from using rivets in the early 1930s. Keep in mind that U-Boats are double hulled with an inner pressure tube surround by a relatively thin outer skin which is what you see from the outside. What was even more curious was that pictures of models and artwork of U-Boats do often times show rivets. So I guess they're supposed to add interest to a model?

Anyway, I just wanted to get this out there for comments and different ideas of this rivet question. And please, don't take offense to my raising the question. I applaud the launch of U-96 by Collectors Showcase and enthusiastic support their excellent work.
 
First off, I join many other enthusiastic collectors who are thrilled to see the launch of a new U-Boat model. The pre-release photos are exciting and the project is so well executed. It's my number 1 must see at the Chicago Toy Show coming up next month where I fully expect it will become my number 1 must buy item.

One detail however got my immediate attention when I first saw the photos of U-96 - the rivets! First I thought, well they kind of stand out, but probably necessary due to production limitation. However, on further thought, I didn't think they belong there at all. I live in the Chicago area and I've visited the U-505 at the Museum of Science and Industry more than a dozen times and the outer skin of the upper structure of that boat has smooth welded seams, not rivets, holding it together. Knowing however that U-96 was an earlier boat and a Type 7 rather than the Type 9 U-505, there could be some differences. So I started looking at photos of U-Boats on line and found that, other than a couple of photos of very early boats from the 1930s, all were without rivets including actual photos of U-96. I also found a reference to shipbuilders getting away from using rivets in the early 1930s. Keep in mind that U-Boats are double hulled with an inner pressure tube surround by a relatively thin outer skin which is what you see from the outside. What was even more curious was that pictures of models and artwork of U-Boats do often times show rivets. So I guess they're supposed to add interest to a model?

Anyway, I just wanted to get this out there for comments and different ideas of this rivet question. And please, don't take offense to my raising the question. I applaud the launch of U-96 by Collectors Showcase and enthusiastic support thas eir excellent work.

Such a great observation. And such a cool topic. Yes the type VII boats were constructed of mostly rivets unlike some of the later boats ( I've attached an image of the Type VII with rivets quite clear ). But the Germans were so ahead in submarine development and quickly made the transition to welds later in the war. The welds are prevalent especially on the type XXI. The U-505 in Chicago has weld seams and it is of course a IXC.

So hats off to HB120050 it is a keen observation of the construction evolution of the German U-Boat effort later in the war after the Type VII. We also enhanced our Type VII rivets as its such a great collection of details! The period photos are so fuzzy that it would be easy to miss the rivets, but they are all over the place on the Type VII.

Cheers!

Brian

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The Andrea 1/32 model U-96 also has rivets on the conning tower. Early boats had them, later boats did not. The TCS U-96 is now available on eBay.
 
This is such a monumental undertaking, I find it hard to quibble about the details. If some of the parts are oversized, it's largely because such elements are distorted on TS product as a form of structural reinforcement, a function of the materials employed, or to impart relief. If a noob approached me and expressed concern about exaggerated detail work, my response would likely be to discourage them from getting too involved in the whole deal. If they don't like this product, the ensign notwithstanding,;) there's a fairly good chance that they won't enjoy collecting toy soldiers.

-Moe
 
This is such a monumental undertaking, I find it hard to quibble about the details. If some of the parts are oversized, it's largely because such elements are distorted on TS product as a form of structural reinforcement, a function of the materials employed, or to impart relief. If a noob approached me and expressed concern about exaggerated detail work, my response would likely be to discourage them from getting too involved in the whole deal. If they don't like this product, the ensign notwithstanding,;) there's a fairly good chance that they won't enjoy collecting toy soldiers.

-Moe

Excuse me for asking a question. Won't happen again in this forum.
 
Excuse me for asking a question. Won't happen again in this forum.

You innocently misconstrue.:) My thoughts were written in support of your post. For that matter, I took your comments to be quite open minded and accepting. Thanks for sharing.

-Moe
 
I recently purchased the complete "U-96" U-boat from Sierra Toy Soldier, I am extremely happy with this set. it's so impressive, when set up...Hats off to Brian and everyone else at The Collectors Showcase, involved with this project!............on an unrelated note...Does anyone remember the old plastic model company "Lindburgh", I know I'm dating myself here!!! But it seems like every model airplane kit they made had lots of rivets on the surfaces! Man, that brings back some memories!!:D
 

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