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Gentlemen:

Now that I am one of you - don't you think Andy should come out with some US Troops for the Desert!

We fought there too - Andy!
 
:) YES YES YES! But the DAK, BRITISH, AUSSIE'S and ITALIANS, should come First in a Chronological Order!
 
for Johngambale and Capitolron; I know that Andy is not much into repaints, but how about "co-paints"? That would be where one could produce a basic vehicle for two countries at once, differing in the paint and details. The M4A1 Shermans that the US sent to the British 8th Army were basically the same as many of the M4A1s that the US 1st Armored Division took into Tunisia. The specific details were early hulls with direct vision slots for the drivers, "Lee" type suspensions, the early gun mount with narrow shield and the plain block track. The British equipped most of theirs with sandshields, camouflaged them in desert colors and they had British gear stowed. The US version were in OD with the white turret stripe, some were briefly camouflaged with local mud smeared on and the stowage was GI gear (usually not near the extras noted later in Europe). Andy could even go crazy and paint a version as "War Baby", an M4A1 that was captured in Tunisia and sent back to Germany for evaluation. There are photos of it being run in Germany next to an early Panther.

The 105mm Howitzer Motor Carriage M7 (the "Priest") is another example. A batch were sent to 8th Army before Alamein and the US had them with e Operation Torch forces.

Gary
 
binder001 said:
for Johngambale and Capitolron; I know that Andy is not much into repaints, but how about "co-paints"? That would be where one could produce a basic vehicle for two countries at once, differing in the paint and details. The M4A1 Shermans that the US sent to the British 8th Army were basically the same as many of the M4A1s that the US 1st Armored Division took into Tunisia. The specific details were early hulls with direct vision slots for the drivers, "Lee" type suspensions, the early gun mount with narrow shield and the plain block track. The British equipped most of theirs with sandshields, camouflaged them in desert colors and they had British gear stowed. The US version were in OD with the white turret stripe, some were briefly camouflaged with local mud smeared on and the stowage was GI gear (usually not near the extras noted later in Europe). Andy could even go crazy and paint a version as "War Baby", an M4A1 that was captured in Tunisia and sent back to Germany for evaluation. There are photos of it being run in Germany next to an early Panther.

The 105mm Howitzer Motor Carriage M7 (the "Priest") is another example. A batch were sent to 8th Army before Alamein and the US had them with e Operation Torch forces.

Gary
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Gary

Thanks - Now I am going to start sound like most of guys saying ..... We Want 88's............. I WANT A DESERT M7 ! I WANT A DESERT M7 !

:D :D :D Ron
 
There were not and Americans at Tobruk or El Alamein. Only British and commonwealth forces. At least that is according to my late father in law who was there
 
damian said:
There were not and Americans at Tobruk or El Alamein. Only British and commonwealth forces. At least that is according to my late father in law who was there
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Damian

Who said anything about Tobruk or El Alamein????

I was talking about the Western Sahara Desert War - Morroco and Tunisia !
- Remember, us Americans were there ... :D

Ron
 
damian said:
There were not and Americans at Tobruk or El Alamein. Only British and commonwealth forces. At least that is according to my late father in law who was there
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Fully agreed that the Western Desert was a Commonwealth show! I admire the Aussies, South Africans, and all the others that pitched in. There were a few French, and at Alamein there were about 10-12 U.S. tank crews that were learning about desert warfare.

HOWEVER, there was a LOT of U.S. equipment in the 8th Army by the time of Alamein. Jeeps (and the earlier Bantam Recon Cars), Sherman tanks, Stuart light tanks, Lees, Grants, M7 Priests, trucks, tank transporters, etc. These are items that Andy can "co-produce" in UK desert OR US colors, with minor variations in detail and different crew figures.

Gary
 
Are my eyes playing tricks on me or did i just read RON ASKING FOR AN 88MM!!! Get to the poll and vote then Ron,every vote counts!.

I agree with the desert war we have probably the biggest scope for armour that Andy hasn't made yet.As for figures, well we've had a lot of AK stuff so maybe some more Desert rats,Brits,Aussies etc.Can't say i'm bothered with Italians to be honest,somehow they just don't appeal.(no offence John-my grandfather was Italian,and i loooooooooooooooooove pasta!!)

Rob
 
Rommel you maginifcant ******* - I read your BOOK!

:D

Patton needs US TROOPS - Andy ! ;)
 
Hi Guys,

Re the requests for US Troops for the North African campaign.

Actually any of our D.Day ’44 U.S. troop sets are perfectly suitable for “Operation Torch” and the campaign that followed. The uniforms weapons and equipment were virtually identical.

To my knowledge the U.S. Army did not issue different uniforms for North Africa as the British and Empire troops wore. So, feel free to use any of the D.Day sets from D.Day #1 onwards. Even the US 82nd Airborne were wearing the exact same jump suits they wore on D.Day! Admittedly they may not have attached camo to their helmets!

Vehicle wise...our early D.Day ’44 jeep sets...our retired “Deuce and a half” and our, still available, weapons carrier and many others are also still suitable for the North African campaign.

Take a look at any pictures or books about the U.S. participation in the victorious Allied campaign in North Africa and you’ll see what I mean.

Best wishes and...happy collecting!

Andy C.
 
King & Country said:
Hi Guys,

Re the requests for US Troops for the North African campaign.

Actually any of our D.Day ’44 U.S. troop sets are perfectly suitable for “Operation Torch” and the campaign that followed. The uniforms weapons and equipment were virtually identical.

To my knowledge the U.S. Army did not issue different uniforms for North Africa as the British and Empire troops wore. So, feel free to use any of the D.Day sets from D.Day #1 onwards. Even the US 82nd Airborne were wearing the exact same jump suits they wore on D.Day! Admittedly they may not have attached camo to their helmets!

Vehicle wise...our early D.Day ’44 jeep sets...our retired “Deuce and a half” and our, still available, weapons carrier and many others are also still suitable for the North African campaign.

Take a look at any pictures or books about the U.S. participation in the victorious Allied campaign in North Africa and you’ll see what I mean.

Best wishes and...happy collecting!

Andy C.
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OH GREAT ONE (Andy :D )

We all do know that some of the D-Day figures do go with the American Theme for Desert Campaign - but, a specific set would be soooo much better - Lets us think as ALLIES and give the Americans a Set they may call there own in the Desert. :)

I feel that fever coming back...........:eek:

Ron
 
Andy,
Yes the BASIC gear on the DDay troops was the same, HOWEVER a number of your DD-series figures have items that limit their flexibility. 1) The few photos that I have seen of US paratroops in the desert show plain helmets or daubed with mud, not the nets so common on the DDay figures, and definitely NOT the helmet-mounted first aid kit. 2) Your recent Rangers are shown strictly as assault troops on 6-6-44 with their gas mask cases, "wet" paints, etc. 3) Some of your DD-series have M1943 field jackets (like the mortar crew). These jackets didn't see service until Italy. On the good news the troops are marked for the 3rd Infantry Div which was in support in North Africa, but was nowhere near Normandy. 4) All of your recent vehicles are later versions and are not applicable for North Africa. The old jeep and open halftrack are OK, the later version 2 1/2-ton truck and 3/4 ton truck are OK. The recent M3 Scout Car actually BELONGS in North Africa instead of the Battle of the Bulge, so a quick repaint fixes that.

So there are a lot of growth opportunities for "An Army At Dawn" series.

Gary
 
binder001 said:
Andy,
Yes the BASIC gear on the DDay troops was the same, HOWEVER a number of your DD-series figures have items that limit their flexibility. 1) The few photos that I have seen of US paratroops in the desert show plain helmets or daubed with mud, not the nets so common on the DDay figures, and definitely NOT the helmet-mounted first aid kit. 2) Your recent Rangers are shown strictly as assault troops on 6-6-44 with their gas mask cases, "wet" paints, etc. 3) Some of your DD-series have M1943 field jackets (like the mortar crew). These jackets didn't see service until Italy. On the good news the troops are marked for the 3rd Infantry Div which was in support in North Africa, but was nowhere near Normandy. 4) All of your recent vehicles are later versions and are not applicable for North Africa. The old jeep and open halftrack are OK, the later version 2 1/2-ton truck and 3/4 ton truck are OK. The recent M3 Scout Car actually BELONGS in North Africa instead of the Battle of the Bulge, so a quick repaint fixes that.

So there are a lot of growth opportunities for "An Army At Dawn" series.

Gary
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Gary

Do you even need a repaint? Weren't most of those vehicles in drab green?

Ron
 
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