What happened after the Romans left Britain? (2 Viewers)

theBaron said:
I'm not sure I agree with the lament. How many tribes barely out of the Stone Age would still be wearing skins and drinking the blood of their enemies from their hollowed-out skulls, instead of enjoying baths, indoor plumbing, wine, and goods traded from the North Sea and the Baltic to deepest Africa, and from Cornwall to India? And who knows how long it'd have taken them to learn their ABC's, too. The Germanic runes, for example, aren't even Germanic in origin--they're derived from the early alphabets the Etruscans and Latins used. I think Roman culture was a net benefit.

Prosit! (which is also Latin-we can't escape it!)
Brad
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Well Brad, easy to feel that way when it wasn't our culture that got wiped out. :) Of course, you have been around long enough to read the after action reports from our English brethren and Im not too sure they arent still drinking out of hollowed out skulls {sm4}

Admittedly I agree, Rome was a net benefit, Im just one of those types of folks who always wonders what came out on the "Extinct" side.
 
Well - as a Celt myself, I am happy to report that the Welsh Language, for one, is still around some thousands of years later. It not only survived the Romans - but also many determined efforts to see it vanish after they had gone - and taken their walls, roads education, Latin, wine, public baths et al with them! (glad you found those lovely clips Brad). :D

Britain is a quirky old place, for sure, with all the history of various invasions, influxes, and exoduses that have gone on down the years. Each of our visitors have left their mark - and maybe we are the better for it. Fear not, however, for some of the oldest "visitors", such as the Celts. We are alive and well - even if some of us choose to live from whence they came - several thousands of years in the past - back in Southern Europe!

Joia dy ddiwrnod (have a nice day) = Johnnybach:cool:
 
Currahee Chris said:
Well Brad, easy to feel that way when it wasn't our culture that got wiped out. :) Of course, you have been around long enough to read the after action reports from our English brethren and Im not too sure they arent still drinking out of hollowed out skulls {sm4}

Admittedly I agree, Rome was a net benefit, Im just one of those types of folks who always wonders what came out on the "Extinct" side.
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As long as it's watertight (or beer, wine or whatever tight) it doesn't really matter! :rolleyes2: :wink2: ^&grin

Neanderthal Jeff :tongue:
 
johnnybach said:
Joia dy ddiwrnod (have a nice day) = Johnnybach:cool:
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John, can you give me a phonetic pronunciation of that?

I studied languages for my degree, but not any of the Celtic (I'm pronouncing that, "keltic", you people in Boston). I'm fascinated by philology and etymology. For example, the "joia"--without knowing how it's pronounced, and guessing from the spelling, I'd ask if that's not a native Cumric word, but a word borrowed from Norman French.

Even "Welsh" isn't "Welsh", it's from an old Germanic word meaning "foreign" (same root in "walnut").

These things, I find fascinating!

Prost!
Brad
 
theBaron said:
John, can you give me a phonetic pronunciation of that?

I studied languages for my degree, but not any of the Celtic (I'm pronouncing that, "keltic", you people in Boston). I'm fascinated by philology and etymology. For example, the "joia"--without knowing how it's pronounced, and guessing from the spelling, I'd ask if that's not a native Cumric word, but a word borrowed from Norman French.

Even "Welsh" isn't "Welsh", it's from an old Germanic word meaning "foreign" (same root in "walnut").

These things, I find fascinating!

Prost!
Brad
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The J is soft Brad - but as it is phonetic - it's pronounced as it is spelt. The double dd is pronounced as th - as in The. thats about it!

Of course the Word "Welsh" is in English. It is really "Cymraeg" - and as Wales is an English word too - it's really "Cymru".

I am posting in the universal language of English, of course - so am using the English words for Wales and Welsh.

I wouldn't exactly call myself a Welsh Scholar, or fluent, as I haven't used it much in years - but it is a very interesting and VERY old language. I have read that it is an Indo-European language, which probably originated in Eastern Europe many thousands of years ago. It arrived in the British Isles when the original Celts populated Britain - probably in excess of 5,000 BC. Interestingly, there is a very close relationship with old Cornish and Breton - and I have heard that the ancient Gallo language of Southern France is a distant relative too (though I've searched in vain for a speaker).

I did have an interesting conversation with a Breton man - in a Celtic festival in Northern France about 20 years ago. I could just about understand most of what he said to me in Breton (which is like old Welsh - and he could understand most of my Welsh. Interestingly, the numbers are spoken EXACTLY the same - as they probably came into the different languages late on in their development.

The point though - for this post - is that many bits and pieces of our old British cultures DID survive the various occupations of the British Isles - by a whole host of visitors and others who stayed on. We have had a taste of many cultures arriving, ever since - and have kept the best bits of many such visitors - but it would appear that many vestiges of our oldest cultures remain. I can't speak much about Gaelic - or the Picts of Northern parts of our Isles - but am sure, bits and pieces of many other British cultures survive too.

Cymraeg (Welsh) is just a very visible one - that is very familiar to me.

Cymru am byth (Wales forever) Johnnybach
 
aujj65 said:
As long as it's watertight (or beer, wine or whatever tight) it doesn't really matter! :rolleyes2: :wink2: ^&grin

Neanderthal Jeff :tongue:
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Cheers to that mate.

btw is neanderthal Celtic for British??? {sm4}{sm4}
 
Sorry Chris - it's pretty clear from this - who they were!{sm2}

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