Why is BM03 so hard to find? (2 Viewers)

[mikemiller1955]

I never understood the un-availabilty of set BM03 (LE-250).

I mean, I have seen people's collections here on Treefrog.

One set of Colours is all that I think anyone would want in a diorama or collection.

It seems redundant to me to have two of those sets in a collection.

I can't understand why someone would want duplicates of that set.

Some of the collections I have seen have 4 and 5 sets of BM04 and BM05.

Some of the collections I have seen have several firing sets, BM01, BM02, BM08, BM09 and BM10.

So if all the collectors only got one set of Colours, to go with their multiple sets of LE-250's, where are the rest of them.

I have 6 BM04's and 4 BM05's, and if everybody bought only 1 set of BM03 (Colours) for their collection, there should be some more left over somewhere, if that makes sense.

BM03 is not really a set that I would want duplicates of.

Even if they were still available on the market now in quantity, I can't understand why any "collector" would want more than one in his diorama or display.

I would love to see John release another set of Colours for the Batlle of Monongahela.

I want a flag.

Michael

 

[Combat]

My only guess is that sellers of the other rare BM sets bought multiples for their collections. Then sell some off over time. However, for the reasons you indicated, most only bought one of the BM-03. Those stay in collections - so not as many extras on the market. That's just a wild guess.

 

[APACHEJOL]

I never understood the un-availabilty of set BM03 (LE-250).

I mean, I have seen people's collections here on Treefrog.

One set of Colours is all that I think anyone would want in a diorama or collection.

It seems redundant to me to have two of those sets in a collection.

I can't understand why someone would want duplicates of that set.

Some of the collections I have seen have 4 and 5 sets of BM04 and BM05.

Some of the collections I have seen have several firing sets, BM01, BM02, BM08, BM09 and BM10.

So if all the collectors only got one set of Colours, to go with their multiple sets of LE-250's, where are the rest of them.

I have 6 BM04's and 4 BM05's, and if everybody bought only 1 set of BM03 (Colours) for their collection, there should be some more left over somewhere, if that makes sense.

BM03 is not really a set that I would want duplicates of.

Even if they were still available on the market now in quantity, I can't understand why any "collector" would want more than one in his diorama or display.

I would love to see John release another set of Colours for the Batlle of Monongahela.

I want a flag.

Michael

I dont have this set and am always searching for it. But have to disagree with producing another one. This is what makes collecting fun if you miss out which I did, than the hunt begins. Somewhere somehow I will find one and I realize I will pay dearly but to me thats the fun of collecting. Its no fun if everyone has everything. Than there is no such thing as rare. Of course this only my opinion.

 

[lancer]

I do not believe that the rarity of BM-03 is any big mystery. Only 250 sets made. Not much on a worldwide basis. Hoarding probably has nothing to do with the shortage. As mentioned in the earlier post, people buy a set for their display and since flags were not in multiples there is no reason to have more than one. People buy the one flag set and move on to multiples of the infantry. Now, as a solution to all of us who missed BM-03, and to ensure the value of the retired piece, JJD could re-issue a second Regt. color in a single piece with a different officer, and in a larger edition. The original set holds it's value as a rarity, and the rest of us get a second shot at the flag. -- lancer

 

[mikemiller1955]

I dont have this set and am always searching for it. But have to disagree with producing another one. This is what makes collecting fun if you miss out which I did, than the hunt begins. Somewhere somehow I will find one and I realize I will pay dearly but to me thats the fun of collecting. Its no fun if everyone has everything. Than there is no such thing as rare. Of course this only my opinion.

Well Apachejol, honestly,

I can do without the thrill you get from the "hunt",

and honestly,

I can especially do without the fun of "paying dearly" part too.

The truth is, I don't even really care what everybody else has, I guess I just kind of collect what pushes my buttons.

If I had my heart set on a silver Cadillac, and that was the most popular color sold, I would still buy it, not even caring what the others owned.

Also, I'm not sure what you really mean when you say, "There is no such thing as rare."

On the BM03's, I can't find any, everybody is looking for them, they are not plentiful, in fact, they are not even on the market. I guess I don't know what rare means.

As far as issuing another "Coluors" set for Battle of Monongahela,

well,

John issued two for the Siege of Quebec British army, one King's Colours and one Regimental Colours.

John issued two for Scott's Brigade, for the War of 1812, one with National Colours and one with Regimental Colours,

actually three counting the French Regimental Colours.

I would love to see another Colours set for the B of M, a King's Colours set would be nice, I would snap up a set immediately, but then, I would snap up any new figure he offered for B of M,

but that's just my opinion,

Michael

 

[mikemiller1955]

I do not believe that the rarity of BM-03 is any big mystery. Only 250 sets made. Not much on a worldwide basis. Hoarding probably has nothing to do with the shortage. As mentioned in the earlier post, people buy a set for their display and since flags were not in multiples there is no reason to have more than one. People buy the one flag set and move on to multiples of the infantry. Now, as a solution to all of us who missed BM-03, and to ensure the value of the retired piece, JJD could re-issue a second Regt. color in a single piece with a different officer, and in a larger edition. The original set holds it's value as a rarity, and the rest of us get a second shot at the flag. -- lancer

Lancer,

I love that idea, a second Regimental Colour set, but different than BM03.

In fact I would be happy to see any new completely different Colour's set, maybe a King's Colours set for B of M, that has not been done yet.

I don't want to dilute the value of the originals either, but I have an expensive collection and no flag bearer.

Some of us late starters need some help here.

I spoke to John and he was receptive to the idea of more "line firing" figures for B of M, stating it was his biggest request at the Symposium.

I'm going to start begging him for it right now, lol.

Michael

 

[APACHEJOL]

Well Apachejol, honestly,

I can do without the thrill you get from the "hunt",

and honestly,

I can especially do without the fun of "paying dearly" part too.

The truth is, I don't even really care what everybody else has, I guess I just kind of collect what pushes my buttons.

If I had my heart set on a silver Cadillac, and that was the most popular color sold, I would still buy it, not even caring what the others owned.

Also, I'm not sure what you really mean when you say, "There is no such thing as rare."

On the BM03's, I can't find any, everybody is looking for them, they are not plentiful, in fact, they are not even on the market. I guess I don't know what rare means.

As far as issuing another "Coluors" set for Battle of Monongahela,

well,

John issued two for the Siege of Quebec British army, one King's Colours and one Regimental Colours.

John issued two for Scott's Brigade, for the War of 1812, one with National Colours and one with Regimental Colours,

actually three counting the French Regimental Colours.

I would love to see another Colours set for the B of M, a King's Colours set would be nice, I would snap up a set immediately, but then, I would snap up any new figure he offered for B of M,

but that's just my opinion,

Michael

This was my opinon and I think I will have it thanks. Read the post again because you did not understand what I said about being rare. Never said there was no such thing as rare????

 

[lancer]

Lancer,

I love that idea, a second Regimental Colour set, but different than BM03.

In fact I would be happy to see any new completely different Colour's set, maybe a King's Colours set for B of M, that has not been done yet.

I don't want to dilute the value of the originals either, but I have an expensive collection and no flag bearer.

Some of us late starters need some help here.

I spoke to John and he was receptive to the idea of more "line firing" figures for B of M, stating it was his biggest request at the Symposium.

I'm going to start begging him for it right now, lol.

Michael

Michael, you say that you have no flag bearer. Do you have BM-11, the King's Color? I believe it is still readily available. -- Al

 

[mikemiller1955]

Michael, you say that you have no flag bearer. Do you have BM-11, the King's Color? I believe it is still readily available. -- Al

Sorry Al,

That was a false statement,

yes,

I do have BM11 the King's Colours,

lol,

I don't know why I overlooked that while I was rambling, I got so obsessed with the Regimental Colours that it slipped my mind.

Michael

 

[lancer]

Sorry Al,

That was a false statement,

yes,

I do have BM11 the King's Colours,

lol,

I don't know why I overlooked that while I was rambling, I got so obsessed with the Regimental Colours that it slipped my mind.

Michael

You are right. We need that regt. color re-issue. I always thought that the regt. color from the POA could be converted, if one is desperate enough. Well, I'm desperate enough, but no where near skilled enough to do either the flag or officer. I guess I will wait for the re-issue that JJD now knows I need. LOL -- Al

 

[mikemiller1955]

You are right. We need that regt. color re-issue. I always thought that the regt. color from the POA could be converted, if one is desperate enough. Well, I'm desperate enough, but no where near skilled enough to do either the flag or officer. I guess I will wait for the re-issue that JJD now knows I need. LOL -- Al

Al,

I'm not that skilled a painter either, but I just couldn't bring myself to adulter or alter a John Jenkin's original.

Kenneth Ferguson, an artist, who posts on here, awww.kennethfergusonfineart.com,
has done some repaints to change regiments on some of his JJ's.

He might do them for you if you emailed him.

He sent me some photos and they looked really nice.

He finished them in a "gloss", cause that's what he prefers, but I'm sure he would leave them in a matte if you wanted.

Somebody else on here has done them too, I can't remember the post, but as I recall, he did a nice job on them. You can research the JJ threads and find it.

There's really not that much to change from one regiment to another.

What do you think a repaint would do to the value of the figure if you wanted to sell it? Would it diminish it?

Michael

 

[lancer]

Al,

I'm not that skilled a painter either, but I just couldn't bring myself to adulter or alter a John Jenkin's original.

Kenneth Ferguson, an artist, who posts on here, awww.kennethfergusonfineart.com,
has done some repaints to change regiments on some of his JJ's.

He might do them for you if you emailed him.

He sent me some photos and they looked really nice.

He finished them in a "gloss", cause that's what he prefers, but I'm sure he would leave them in a matte if you wanted.

Somebody else on here has done them too, I can't remember the post, but as I recall, he did a nice job on them. You can research the JJ threads and find it.

There's really not that much to change from one regiment to another.

What do you think a repaint would do to the value of the figure if you wanted to sell it? Would it diminish it?

Michael

Thanks for the suggestion, maybe I will do so one day. I don't like to convert my originals either but if I did, hurting resale value wouldn't be a consideration since it would be just the one figure and I don't plan (never say never) to sell my JJD's . I like them way too much. They are my favorites. -- Al

 

[mikemiller1955]

Al,

I found a photo in this email that Kenneth sent me.

"Hi Michael, Here's a photo of some reworked Jenkins figures. Since I prefer to collect gloss figures and still really like many of those done in mat, I end up making my own glossies. It's often just the case of repainting parts of the uniform to '' brighten'' them up and repainting the face in a clean toy soldier style and then brushing on a clear acrylic gloss coat. I've always liked the charm of a very well painted gloss toy soldier and there's just not many of those made anymore. Not to worry, your FM 01 set is in mint John Jenkins original mat paint. - Ken"


Michael

 

[lancer]

Thanks Michael. Those repaints look really good. I also have a weakness for glossies witha high sheen. Think I will stick with matte though. Nice to know there are artists out there cabable of good conversion work. Appreciate the info. -- Al

 

[Capitolron]

Michael

I feel your pain. When you jump into collecting a range after its been on the market for awhile it is difficult to get your hands on some of the earlier sets.

I believe someone else stated the fact - that 250 Sets for Worldwide Distribution is a drop in a very big bucket. I doubt very seriously that anyone has several of the BM-03 sets sitting on a shelf.

When a few of us had a chance to talk with John in NYC - we did beg for more action BM Sets ! What could be cool would be a color bearer getting wounded - that would hit two great wants - color bearer and more wounded figures - it would also not take away from the BM-03. Just an idea.

A few of us who started collecting John Jenkins 3 years ago - have seen an explosion of popularity with these great guys now. In the beginning - people really didn't know what Combat and I were talking about when we said we were buying them. I even told my good friend Tim Tyler to jump on the TRAIN and GET OFF THE TRACKS and start carrying JJD - two years ago ! He is a happy man now !

Hopefully John will produce more BM Sets !

Ron

 

[mikemiller1955]

Ron,

Glad you're back from Germany, looks like you enjoyed your trip, at least the steins, lol.

That's being creative, good idea.

A Colour bearer wounded, definitely "two birds with one stone".

Nobody wants to decrease the integrity or accrued value of the early BM's.

I just want some new ones, hehe.

I started in February and went after them with a vengeance, but still too late to get some of the early 250LE's.

I'll learn to live without them, but there may be some help in the future.

I posted this somewhere before, it was received on March 20th.

"Dear Michael, just returned late last night from China.

Regarding more 44th Regiment Line infantry. It was the main request from everyone at the New York Symposium and at the Westcoaster show to have more line infantry, just as you have requested.
I have not any plans in the works to produce any more.... but I guess I will now have to reconsider?
It still surprises me how popular this series has become.

The painting you have attached just sends shivers down my spine everytime I see it!
Unfortunately I do not contribute to any forumsI started on one forum a long time ago, but it just made more work for me.....
The computer does not seem to be a paper saving, or time saving device! I deliberately do not have a computer at the workshop, as I would not get any sculpting done!!
Best wishes john jenkins."

Ron, you're probably one of the guys he is referring to in the email, lol.

Anyway, I really believe he is going to reward his Monongahela collectors with something new soon, at least I hope he does,

Michael

 

[Capitolron]

Mike

I assure you - he was talking about me !

I lobby and schmoozed for MORE BM SETS ! I think John was really surprized that this demand was still there and getting stronger.

I know he wants to do other stuff - but, Hey - When You Have A Winner - Why Stop Now ?

I believe we can get a few more BM Sets out of him - we just need to keep asking !

Ron

 

[tdubel]

Hi Guys,
I love the Bm's too, but I think the issue of getting more sets might be a little trickier than first glance. John (as I understand) has a long term timeline for all ranges, so a lot of items are already in the works. I am not sure how hard it is to muddle up that plan by throwing in sets you were not planning on doing? I would imagine, you have your factory runs set months in advance. Never say never, but this is what makes the hobby fun is the thrill of the hunt. I just finally got a Trophy Dragon Gun last week after a 3.5 year chase (longer than that, but was only serious the last few years)! This is part of the fun. You will get a BM 3, if you really want one!

Tom

 

[mikemiller1955]

Tom, that's funny that you said,

"I would imagine, you have your factory runs set months in advance."

This email is from John on April 13th,

"Hi Michael,

wow! you have been really busy!
Its great to see all the sets together in a display, I dont really get the time to appreciate what I have done,


as I'm always trying to deal with production 3-4 months in advance.


One of the things I enjoy is when I see pictures like this, as I forget what I have done.
It also gives me great encouragement to keep going! and to know that there are people out there who are getting as much pleasure from the figures as I get making them!

I'm looking forward to the Chippewa pictures, I'm quite proud of this little series. All the British "Royal Scots" are sculpted , but will be released slowly throughout this year. Artillery and cavalry will be 2010.

best wishes

john"

Tom, I guess you have been collecting for a while,

Michael

 

[marco55]

I've been collecting Jenkins since Oct.2007 and I haven't even had a remote chance at BM-03.BM-01 is the only other one I never got but I had a couple of chances at one but Didn't have the cash at the time (too much anyway).Anybody got any extra FM-05 's their willing to part with?
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