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The Combat History of schwere Panzer-Abteilung 503, In Action in the East and West with the Tiger I and II
(schwere Panzer-Abteilung 503 Veteran’s Association)

A Great Book and well worth the money IMO . Not sure when First Legion will do a Tiger but it has always been a favorite of mine along with the Panther and King Tiger . I would love to see FL versions of them all . I'm sure they will be done down the road as their WWII line grows and stretches its legs into other Battles . I'm putting a little on the side to be ready for the pre-orders ;) If their treatment of the Battle of Stalingrad gets the same treatment as that of Waterloo and Borodino and I have no doubt it will . I'm sure we will see every Nation getting attention :D It's gonna be interesting to watch it develop and will provide us collectors with plenty of opportunity to add to our collections in ways we have never dreamed possible . :) Gebhard
 
fmethorst said:
Excerpt from
The Combat History of schwere Panzer-Abteilung 503, In Action in the East and West with the Tiger I and II
(schwere Panzer-Abteilung 503 Veteran’s Association)

The following comes from Alfred Rubbel

In December of 1942 the 2./schwere Panzer-Abteilung 502 loaded onto rail transport to Heeresgruppe Don. On arrival it was attached to 17. Panzerdivision and saw it's first employment in the Kalmuck Steppes southeast of Rostov under it's company commander Hauptmann Lange.
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Hmmm, the 17th PD did have a role (if limited) in Winter Storm. It's worth checking more into the 2/502 participation. I'll see what I can come up with.
 
Tigers in Combat I (Wolfgang Schneider) puts the 2./s.H.Pz.Abt.502 at the following locations at the dates indicated:

05./06.01.43 - Detrainment in PROLETARSKAJA

07.01.43 - Attachment to 17th Panzerdivision. Relocation to SSUNGAR in the KUBERLE region (107 km road march without breakdown, with a maintenance stop every 20 km.)

08.01.43 - Counterattack with one company of Panzerregiment 39 on OSSERSKIJ and NISH-SSEREB JAKOWKA. 2 tanks and 8 anti-tank guns destroyed.

09.01.43 - Enemy positions with 5 Pak destroyed near ILOWASKIJ then attack on BRATSKIJ, 2 Pak knocked out. March back to PROLETARSKAJA

10.01.43 - Defense near BUDJENNY, 1 KV-1, 3 T-34s, 7 T-60s and 2 Pak knocked out. The operational tanks (3 Tigers and 6 Pz.IIIs) are attached to 16th Infantriedivision (mot).

14.01.43 - The Tigers cover the disengagement of 16th ID (mot) (3km from NOWO SSADKOWSKIJ to KAMAROW) and rejoin the company at PROLETARSKAJA the following day.

16./17.01.43 - The Pz.IIIs in covering positions at STALINSKI-PUD. Order to move to ROSTOV.

22.01.43 - Arrival at ROSTOV and integration into schwere Panzer-Abteilung 503 as the 3rd company.
 
fmethorst said:
Tigers in Combat I (Wolfgang Schneider) puts the 2./s.H.Pz.Abt.502 at the following locations at the dates indicated:

05./06.01.43 - Detrainment in PROLETARSKAJA

07.01.43 - Attachment to 17th Panzerdivision. Relocation to SSUNGAR in the KUBERLE region (107 km road march without breakdown, with a maintenance stop every 20 km.)

08.01.43 - Counterattack with one company of Panzerregiment 39 on OSSERSKIJ and NISH-SSEREB JAKOWKA. 2 tanks and 8 anti-tank guns destroyed.

09.01.43 - Enemy positions with 5 Pak destroyed near ILOWASKIJ then attack on BRATSKIJ, 2 Pak knocked out. March back to PROLETARSKAJA

10.01.43 - Defense near BUDJENNY, 1 KV-1, 3 T-34s, 7 T-60s and 2 Pak knocked out. The operational tanks (3 Tigers and 6 Pz.IIIs) are attached to 16th Infantriedivision (mot).

14.01.43 - The Tigers cover the disengagement of 16th ID (mot) (3km from NOWO SSADKOWSKIJ to KAMAROW) and rejoin the company at PROLETARSKAJA the following day.

16./17.01.43 - The Pz.IIIs in covering positions at STALINSKI-PUD. Order to move to ROSTOV.

22.01.43 - Arrival at ROSTOV and integration into schwere Panzer-Abteilung 503 as the 3rd company.
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What chaos. Germans rushing troops into a vacuum the size of Maine, in the cold of winter, trying to block the red onslaught.

Was the Bulge even Rhode Island in size?
 
Found this account in one of Jentz's Tiger books. 2/10 & 2/11 1943, two 503 Tigers supported a Kampfgruppe's attack on a farm to stem the Russian advance:

"The closer the Tiger approached the collective farm, the greater intensity of the enemy defensive fire. Each hit on the Tiger was accompanied by a sharp clang, a slight jolt, acrid clouds of smoke, a shimmering yellow flash, and a detonation.

The nerves of the crew were stretched thin. We paid no attention to hunger, thirst, or time. Even thought the attack lasted over 6 hours, at the time the crew thought that only a short time had elapsed.

After another 7.62 cm anti-tank shell struck the gun mantle, the brackets holding the gun snapped, the recoil cylinder began losing fluid, and the gun remained at full recoil. The shaking caused by additional hits damaged the radio, a gas tube, and the gear lever by the driver. The engine caught fire when the shield protecting the exhaust muffler was shot away, but the fire was rapidly extinguished.

An explosive charge thrown on top of the Tiger from the side was sensed as a dull explosion accompanied by heat and smoke enveloping the Tiger and the crew.

We counted 227 hits from anti-tank rifle rounds, 14 hits from 5.7cm & 4.5cm anti-tank guns, and 11 hits from 7.62cm guns. The right track and suspension were heavily damaged. Several road wheels and their suspension arms were perforated. The idler wheel had worked out of it's mount. In spite of all this damage, the Tiger still managed to cover an additional 60 kilometers under it's own power."

Lucky guys, because that Russian 5.7cm gun was a very potent weapon; much longer barrel than the Brit 6 pounder.
 
Blowtorch said:
Found this account in one of Jentz's Tiger books. 2/10 & 2/11 1943, two 503 Tigers supported a Kampfgruppe's attack on a farm to stem the Russian advance:

"The closer the Tiger approached the collective farm, the greater intensity of the enemy defensive fire. Each hit on the Tiger was accompanied by a sharp clang, a slight jolt, acrid clouds of smoke, a shimmering yellow flash, and a detonation.

The nerves of the crew were stretched thin. We paid no attention to hunger, thirst, or time. Even thought the attack lasted over 6 hours, at the time the crew thought that only a short time had elapsed.

After another 7.62 cm anti-tank shell struck the gun mantle, the brackets holding the gun snapped, the recoil cylinder began losing fluid, and the gun remained at full recoil. The shaking caused by additional hits damaged the radio, a gas tube, and the gear lever by the driver. The engine caught fire when the shield protecting the exhaust muffler was shot away, but the fire was rapidly extinguished.

An explosive charge thrown on top of the Tiger from the side was sensed as a dull explosion accompanied by heat and smoke enveloping the Tiger and the crew.

We counted 227 hits from anti-tank rifle rounds, 14 hits from 5.7cm & 4.5cm anti-tank guns, and 11 hits from 7.62cm guns. The right track and suspension were heavily damaged. Several road wheels and their suspension arms were perforated. The idler wheel had worked out of it's mount. In spite of all this damage, the Tiger still managed to cover an additional 60 kilometers under it's own power."

Lucky guys, because that Russian 5.7cm gun was a very potent weapon; much longer barrel than the Brit 6 pounder.
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Reminds me of a African wildlife documentary of a pack of hyenas attacking a bid cat . Eventually the big cat is overcome by shear numbers . Must have been very hard being constantly outnumbered, giving everything you had and still not being able to stop them . Some really high kill numbers were added up against the Soviets , yet to no avail . Combat on the Russian front was brutal . Gebhard
 
What a testimony to the construction of the Tiger and the toughness of the crew. One would think that with 250+ hits, at least one would have hit something vital enough to stop it. No wonder the Tiger had such an impact and was so feared on the battlefield, despite their small numbers. It must have been supremely demoralizing to shoot everything in one's arsenal at a Tiger and not be able to halt it. Good thing the Germans couldn't put the Tiger on the field in large numbers. -- lancer
 
lancer said:
What a testimony to the construction of the Tiger and the toughness of the crew. One would think that with 250+ hits, at least one would have hit something vital enough to stop it. No wonder the Tiger had such an impact and was so feared on the battlefield, despite their small numbers. It must have been supremely demoralizing to shoot everything in one's arsenal at a Tiger and not be able to halt it. Good thing the Germans couldn't put the Tiger on the field in large numbers. -- lancer
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Yes, Truely a remarkable weapon despite it's short-commings.....Historical accuracy aside as to the extent it's involvement in the Battle of Stalingrad....I for one hope that First legion will produce a Eastern Front Winter Tiger.....Matt I will give you a PRE-ORDER NOW:D;)
 
Vezzolf said:
Yes, Truely a remarkable weapon despite it's short-commings.....Historical accuracy aside as to the extent it's involvement in the Battle of Stalingrad....I for one hope that First legion will produce a Eastern Front Winter Tiger.....Matt I will give you a PRE-ORDER NOW:D;)
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put me on that list, maybe there was a secret Tiger in Stalingrad, and we just didn't know about it.:):)...Sammy
 
Anyone know the exact date of the first Tigers in battle?? where and when??...Sammy
 
Sammy, Bet you we see the FL Tiger this fall/winter 2010......Can't wait for the panzer III....Should be out end of May
 
sammy719 said:
Anyone know the exact date of the first Tigers in battle?? where and when??...Sammy
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This map shows you the crappy terrain Hitler put the 502 in. Wooded marsh. Leningrad is to the left of the map; the German blockade was between the Neva on the left, and the right edge of the pic.
 

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I believe that tank is a 1:35 scale dragon pre-built model...Excellent Diorama base....the grass looks very realistic.....is it sold in bags as strands or clumps? also does it come in colors other than dark green.... Who sells it? Thank you
 
The diorama was built by Ken Osen from Hudson & Allen. The gras is painted and therefore he will give iot any color you like.

For details on how the diorama was put together, please see the first post here:

http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18147

PS: And yes, the Tiger I in the diorama is a pre-finished model by Dragon, masterfully re-painted and weathered by Ken.
 
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