WW1 Austrian Heavy artillery and army uniforms (1 Viewer)

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Hi team members,

Recently I was happily surprised with TGM´s initiative to explore the heavy artillery segment....
As a matter of fact double happy!
Not only planning to release in 2018 a fantastic heavy artillery piece but also one that was iconic at both the First and Second World Wars....
If we were to look back, although Austria-Hungary played " the vital pivot that triggered WW1, little to nothing is offered by the mainstream manufacturers to the collector.....
A not so well versed person if he/she were to assess the war based on what manufacturers have on their catalogues, one would assume that Austria did not take part of the hostilities and the war was won using light filed guns and machine guns....Never seeing a heavy Howitzer in action....I should say that Britains has been the fist of the modern manufacturers to offer the German Heavy Krupp Morser...but THAT WAS IT..
Now.....with..TGM´s recent fantastic new item....The huge Austrian Howitzer....All changes....
THere were 2 very famous heavy guns that the Germans have to request from the Austrians so as to blst there way into Belguim....the M11 and the M16. They were so powerful that they lasted into WW2....
Brief history:
The Austrian Howitzer was under its Austrian denomination for 1916 the Morser M16 - 30.5 cm, and later used by the German Army in WW2 under the denomination 30.5 cm Morser (t) – the (t) being the designation for Czechoslovak Army.
The origins of this great gun go back to 1906 at the Skoda armament manufacturer when they started the development of a heavy siege gun. It was introduced into the Austro-Hungarian Army in 1911. In 1916 an improved model of the M 1911 followed with changed upper chassis, longer barrel, and greater range, this being then the 30.5 cm Morser M16. Both types of mortar were taken subsequently by the successor States to the Austro-Hungarian Empire, amongst them Hungary, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and of course Austria. In 1938/1939 the Wehrmacht took possession of one Morser M16 from Austria and 17 from Czechoslovakia and installed them as siege guns in Poland and France under the designation 30.5 cm Morser (t). IN 1941, five more guns 30.5 cm Morser (j) came from Yugoslavia and were operational on the Eastern Front together with other guns of the type. A few 30.5 cm Morser M11 captured in Yugoslavia and used there as coastal artillery were designated 30.5 cm Morser 639 (j).
Source:
Fact file – German Heavy Artillery Guns 1933-1945 Published by Alexander Ludeke- Pen & Sword Publishing Co.,
Small Arms, Artillery and Special Weapons of the Third Reich an Encyclopedic Survey by Terry Gander and Peter Chamberlain, Published by MacDonald and JANE´S - London
 

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As a follow-up pictures of the M11 as the earlier posting had pictures of the M16 which will be offered by TGM.
 

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A few more and some examples of Austrian uniforms....
 

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Just to show the real colouring of the Austrian uniforms, you can see 3 gunners manning a 10cm field gun.

This was taken in the Hungarian Military Museum in Budapest this year.

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John
 
great pics! Where is the set of the M11 from? I am assuming John painted it, but who is the make?
Tom
 
great pics! Where is the set of the M11 from? I am assuming John painted it, but who is the make?
Tom

Tom,

that was a kit made by Superior Models Inc. a US company in the 1970's. It was quite heavy, and the metal soft, so a high lead content.

This is the only gun I have ever seen that also had rifling in the barrel !!!! The breechblock could be assembled open or shut, the ammo hoist could be set for firing or loading and the barrel could elevate.
This can be seen in the unpainted shots I sent to Luiz so that he could choose what position he wanted the gun, he chose just prior to firing, with the gun loaded, and the layer checking his aim.

If you ever see one, snap it up, its a very 'rare beast'.

John
 
Boy, I've lusted over those Superior mortars for years! Unfortunately, always out of my price range. Terrific . . . keep it up and continue sharing.

Bosun Al
 
Ok, I may actually have this one! This was redone as a SKODA mortar special release by Toy Soldier Shoppe which I have, I also have the original model I bought in an estate sale that was done and mounted on a board. I will take photos and post. I knew it looked familiar, I will have to find another one, I love the way you did this one John!

Tom
 
The Superior kit also included crew figures, though I don't recall how many there were. I have picked up some individual figures over the years. I think there was an officer in greatcoat, with his hands in his coat pockets, and a gunner handling a shell, at the very least.

Yes, it was a beautiful kit. I believe the barrel even had rifling cast into it. And there just weren't that many kits of WW I Austrians.

Prost!
Brad
 
Here is what I believe that the Toy Soldier Shoppe set looked like with the Superior figures. I am not 100 percent sure, since I bought it without a box. The gun and base are resin, not metal. In any case, I had this for years, but it was stored in my linen closet and not displayed. I finally broke down and recently sold it to Bob W. who immediately put it on display, as it should have been all this time.
 

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WOW, nice looking figures, they would go well on the gun at I assembled and painted.

The gun looks like a later WW1 version, going on the carriage and recuperator above the barrel.

Thanks for showing that,

John
 
Hi nice set indeed....
The only catch is an issue of mistaken identity......^&confuse
The Howitzer you paired with an Austrian Garrison ( originally sold with the Skoda 30.6....nice garrison by the way, especially the officer ) is not a heavy howitzer of Austrian stock..but one closer to home....:cool::cool:It is a 12in Mark II Howitzer on a static platform with the balast box in front.
Attached are pictures of the beast in action......
As to your set in specific it is an old Tommy Atkins one, and currently it is again sold by a new British Manufacturer Model Armoury.

Here is what I believe that the Toy Soldier Shoppe set looked like with the Superior figures. I am not 100 percent sure, since I bought it without a box. The gun and base are resin, not metal. In any case, I had this for years, but it was stored in my linen closet and not displayed. I finally broke down and recently sold it to Bob W. who immediately put it on display, as it should have been all this time.
 

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Hi nice set indeed....
The only catch is an issue of mistaken identity......:It is a 12in Mark II Howitzer on a static platform with the balast box in front.

The pictures of the Aussies in WW1 are of a 9.2" BL Howitzer but looks similar ....

Following the success of their BL 9.2-inch howitzer, Vickers designed an almost identical version scaled up to a calibre of 12 inches, the Mk II entering service on the Western Front in August 1916

Model Armoury only makes a 9.2" Howitzer http://www.grey-goose.co.uk/products/productinfo/9.2-ins-Howitzer-and-base/901/1116/1118/


John
 
Hi Obee,
The Eagle´s eye as usual!!:salute:::salute::
Well pointed out! Great point raised!
Cheers
Luiz

The pictures of the Aussies in WW1 are of a 9.2" BL Howitzer but looks similar ....

Following the success of their BL 9.2-inch howitzer, Vickers designed an almost identical version scaled up to a calibre of 12 inches, the Mk II entering service on the Western Front in August 1916

Model Armoury only makes a 9.2" Howitzer http://www.grey-goose.co.uk/products/productinfo/9.2-ins-Howitzer-and-base/901/1116/1118/


John
 
Hi nice set indeed....
The only catch is an issue of mistaken identity......^&confuse
The Howitzer you paired with an Austrian Garrison ( originally sold with the Skoda 30.6....nice garrison by the way, especially the officer ) is not a heavy howitzer of Austrian stock..but one closer to home....:cool::cool:It is a 12in Mark II Howitzer on a static platform with the balast box in front.
Attached are pictures of the beast in action......
As to your set in specific it is an old Tommy Atkins one, and currently it is again sold by a new British Manufacturer Model Armoury.

The static base on my set is slightly different from the Tommy Atkins base in your photos. It has sand bags, wooden planking, and ammo boxes. I wonder if Tommy Atkins made different versions of the static base or if this was made by someone else. Although I haven't seen the Toy Soldier Shoppe version that Bill Schummer was selling at the Chicago Show in at least 10 years, the Superior Austrian figures on my set are kind of what I remember the crew looking like.
 
Hi Mike,

The one I included in the thread is a new version sold by Model Armoury.
I can with certain conviction say that the gun you have is a great example of the British MKII Howitzer made Tommy Atkins. I considered years ago buying one, reason why the image stuck. As to the Superior Austrian figures, you are 100% on the mark, they are the real deal. The one soldier that catches ones attention is the officer, Superior did it so well that it is hard to match it today.....Attached is the picture of the real deal...I copied from an on line auction some years ago so as to use as reference for when I were to assemble my own...Who ever built this set, did some minor mistakes on uniform and gun colour etc, but great set for sure!:salute:::salute:::salute::
Cheers
Luiz

The static base on my set is slightly different from the Tommy Atkins base in your photos. It has sand bags, wooden planking, and ammo boxes. I wonder if Tommy Atkins made different versions of the static base or if this was made by someone else. Although I haven't seen the Toy Soldier Shoppe version that Bill Schummer was selling at the Chicago Show in at least 10 years, the Superior Austrian figures on my set are kind of what I remember the crew looking like.
 

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Luiz,

Tommy Atkins still have the 9.2" howitzer shown on their Fusilier website with an image:

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It has a 5 man gun crew too.

John
 
Hi John,
Great timely contribution to the thread!
And they have a full garrison....The officer seems to be a bit upset with something though.....:cool::cool::cool:
Now we have it all.
Cheers
Luiz

Luiz,

Tommy Atkins still have the 9.2" howitzer shown on their Fusilier website with an image:

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It has a 5 man gun crew too.

John
 

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