damian
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http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-12-02-chemical-ali-gets-second-death-sentence
This is just really not your day today
This is just really not your day today
You know you are having a bad day when (1 Viewer)
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MCKENNA77
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Maybe I'm just daffy but doesnt it seem kind of ironic when they sentence someone to death for crimes against humanity. Isn't that a crime against humanity in itself? Don't get me wrong, this person did some unspeakable things and caused unspeakable suffering to a lot of people. Would it not be more suitable for this individual to spend the rest of his days out in solitary confinement? Which by the way would personally drive me crazy in about 5 minutes, I cant imagine facing more then 30+ years of it. I dont know if I buy the stance of "sending a message to the rest of the world". The damage is already done and its irreversible.
To sum it up, thats not just a bad day, but a bad life.
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tdubel
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Comes down to your stance on the death penalty. I am a firm believer in Hammurabi's Code (eye for an eye) and I do believe it is the ultimate deterrent. As for the economist in me, you would think it is cheaper to execute than to subsidize a prison sentence, depending on appeal and lifespan, they are actually about the same. This is a tricky subject and is a personal opinion. I look at it this way, "if you willfully kill someone, then you deserve the same treatment, there is no excuse for pre meditated murder or aggravated murder (rape, then kill to cover up)." I do not believe it applies during heat of passion type crimes or manslaughter, it should be reserved for the heinous, in my opinion.
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Louis Badolato
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I can understand both sides of the argument, Chris, and I admire your mercy, but for me it comes down to one thing: there's no escape from death. If the criminal is a serial killer or a serial rapist (especially if the crimes involve child molestation) I don't believe there is any chance at rehabilitation, so if the criminal ever gets out through parole or escape, he is likely to kill or rape again. Under those facts, if there is uncontorvertable evidence like the killers DNA in the victim, I believe that killing the criminal is the only 100% sure means of making sure the criminal does not get out and commit the crime again. In my eyes, to paraphrase Dennis Miller, if a criminal has raped or murdered, he or she has reneged on his or her membership dues in the human race, so I have no problem with killing said criminal. I don't see that as society being just as bad as the criminal. The criminal killed or raped an innocent. Society affords the criminal a fair trial, and should only apply the death penalty on uncontrovertable evidence of guilt, and after a separate phase of the trial on the question of whether the crime is heinous enough to warrant death. Under those facts, I just don't see society protecting innocent people from a convicted sociopath as in any way comparable with said sociopath killing or raping innocents at random.
theBaron
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Tom, Louis, I'm with you; Louis, I like your citation of Miller's explanation about rules and agreeing to live by them.
I believe that there is an enduring moral order, that is, that there is right and wrong beyond what each person may feel. A society has to establish rules, and standards of justice, and to let someone live, who has broken a rule like "Thou shalt not murder" ("kill" is actually a mistranslation of the original Hebrew), does no justice to the person murdered.
Also, here's a point that another Dennis made, Dennis Prager, on his radio show: By sentencing a murderer to a life sentence, instead of putting him to death, if and when he kills someone else (which is a statistical probability), then haven't his judges sentenced that victim and others to death?
Sorry, I'll stop now, I don't want to violate our forum rules, and I fear I'm close, if not there.
Just think it's justice, that Chemical Ali is sentenced to death. Basta!
I believe that there is an enduring moral order, that is, that there is right and wrong beyond what each person may feel. A society has to establish rules, and standards of justice, and to let someone live, who has broken a rule like "Thou shalt not murder" ("kill" is actually a mistranslation of the original Hebrew), does no justice to the person murdered.
Also, here's a point that another Dennis made, Dennis Prager, on his radio show: By sentencing a murderer to a life sentence, instead of putting him to death, if and when he kills someone else (which is a statistical probability), then haven't his judges sentenced that victim and others to death?
Sorry, I'll stop now, I don't want to violate our forum rules, and I fear I'm close, if not there.
Just think it's justice, that Chemical Ali is sentenced to death. Basta!