Crusaders ! (1 Viewer)

[debrito]

Not wanting to start a big ruckus here (or have to moderate myself) but isn't the word "Crusader" still a dirty word to the Arabic peoples?

Special for the Muslins Arabic, but there is a minority of Christians Arabic as the Maronite Lebanese and Syrians who saw the Crusaders as the liberates.

It is a sensible subject.......

Rod.

 

[Spitfrnd]

Not wanting to start a big ruckus here (or have to moderate myself) but isn't the word "Crusader" still a dirty word to the Arabic peoples?

With good reason, an opinion also shared by the pagan Slavs, Jews, Russian and Greek Orthodox Christians, Mongols, Cathars, Hussites, and political enemies of the popes that were the targets of the Crusaders who were granted an indulgence for past sins for their participation in these Catholic prompted so-called Holy cleansing wars. Interestingly the “Gruesome Trophy” set could be done as well for the Crusader side. It was common practice for these “soldiers of the church” to massacre Jewish and Muslim civilians, destroy mosques, rape and pillage the cities they took, as well as to sever the heads, mutilate and in some cases cannibalize the bodies of slain Muslims.

Not even the much revered Richard the Lionheart was immune to these practices, as when he ordered the massacre of everyone when the city of Acre surrendered despite his earlier promise that all non-combatants would be spared. This was justified by the Crusaders by the notion that an oath made to a non-Christian was no oath at all.

So it would be surprising to say the least if it was considered anything but that.

 

[1879fanatic]

Not wanting to start a big ruckus here (or have to moderate myself) but isn't the word "Crusader" still a dirty word to the Arabic peoples?

and.....? some people live in the past, the distant past! Maybe it is because they have always been taught that there is no future. Mike

 

[kilted vampire]

Does it really matter how one worships? Maybe to some people it does. In my own very humble opinion. Anyone who would force another to abandon ones' religion for another is very insecure with their own. Religion is as personal as is ones' parents or siblings. I try to respect different religions and see them as different paths to the same goal.

Some wars are fought for something akin to religion. But let us not war here. May all your wars be little ones on tables

 

[Spitfrnd]

Does it really matter how one worships? Maybe to some people it does. In my own very humble opinion. Anyone who would force another to abandon ones' religion for another is very insecure with their own. Religion is as personal as is ones' parents or siblings. I try to respect different religions and see them as different paths to the same goal.

Some wars are fought for something akin to religion. But let us not war here. May all your wars be little ones on tables

Certainly matters not to me but I can't help but reflect on how many attrocities have been and continue to be committed in the name of religion. I agree completely with your insecurity observation; pity that is not a more universal sentiment. Perhaps in time.....

 

[debrito]

Certainly matters not to me but I can't help but reflect on how many attrocities have been and continue to be committed in the name of religion.

Worth than that they are committed in name of GOD….WILL OF GOD.....

 

[theBaron]

Not to forget the tens of millions slaughtered in the wars of the 20th Century in the names of the great secular faiths-Fascism, Nazism and Marxism. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot have more dead on their account than either Saladdin or the Crusader Kings of the Levant.

 

[kilted vampire]

Certainly matters not to me but I can't help but reflect on how many attrocities have been and continue to be committed in the name of religion.

Worth than that they are committed in name of GOD….WILL OF GOD.....

Just read my signature.

 

[debrito]

Brad you can compared in this way…..

It is like, if you say that now because of the green gazes there is more deadly hurricanes than before.... the reason is that before use to have maybe 10 000 people living there and today there is 2 millions......for sure they are more deadly now...

The same, if the Crusaders or the Saracens had the technology and the weaponry of the 20th Century .........

 

[Spitfrnd]

Not to forget the tens of millions slaughtered in the wars of the 20th Century in the names of the great secular faiths-Fascism, Nazism and Marxism. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot have more dead on their account than either Saladdin or the Crusader Kings of the Levant.

I'm not forgetting those but I am not so sure how the arithmetic stacks up if you include all wars started or justified in the name of someone's religion; including those in the 19th and 20th centuries.

 

[kilted vampire]

Table wars! cheese and Crackers you guys. Table Wars! I like the Bishop of Tours and Saladin figures the best so far!

 

[Saber]

Table wars! cheese and Crackers you guys. Table Wars! I like the Bishop of Tours and Saladin figures the best so far!

You pulling legs or do you really like the Saladin figure? Only asking because he is one of my favorites of that range. Everyone seems to like that Bishop of Tours figure so I guess I should break down and buy him... now you've done it KV... it's all your fault, you've gone and started a religous toy soldier war betwixt me and the missus!

 

[Capitolron]

Do you guys have one these Campaign Tents in your Collection ??

 

[Njja]

Pretty nice, who makes them?

Njja

 

[kilted vampire]

You pulling legs or do you really like the Saladin figure? Only asking because he is one of my favorites of that range. Everyone seems to like that Bishop of Tours figure so I guess I should break down and buy him... now you've done it KV... it's all your fault, you've gone and started a religous toy soldier war betwixt me and the missus!

yeah, it is on the top of my list.

 

[Capitolron]

Pretty nice, who makes them?

Njja

JG - makes them.

Treefrog has them - they look great - just wondering if anyone had them (with pics of course) in their Crusader Collection?

 

[damian]

One has to read stories of mass destruction during the Middle Ages etc with a pinch of salt. It was the industrial revolution that tunred war into a mass killing spectacle. During the Middle Ages if you kept more than 2000 men together in a smallish area or field for more than a few weeks you started to get outbreaks of dysentry and plague. When I hear stories of great hordes (The movie Troy with old Brad Pitt springs to mind) I am not sure what to make of them . It was during the Napoleonic wars that killing became more of a factory like process. With the advent of railways and improved sanitation during the ACW and WWI we really as human beings got into the happy position where we could create charnel houses like the Battle of Verdun or Kursk. Not that I don't think earlier armeis would have liked to have been able to destroy as much as the armies of more recent history. I would assume that human beings are just as rotten now as then, but they just did not have the technical infrastructure to do so. You have gotta love civilization and progress, without which we would still be hunter gatherer bands living in caves.
Regards
Damian

 

[theBaron]

Do you guys have one these Campaign Tents in your Collection ??

Hi, Ron, are those made of resin? They look great.

Prosit!
Brad

 

[1879fanatic]

You have gotta love civilization and progress, without which we would still be hunter gatherer bands living in caves.
Regards
Damian

Perhaps civilization is not all good. Who doesnt want to live in a nice cave? And hunt and fish and farm all day long, without the stress of other a:'#@*^ intruding on your happiness. Damian, you'd still be in business due to injuries sustained in the hunt, and maybe a fishhook through the cheek. Mike

 

[Capitolron]

Hi, Ron, are those made of resin? They look great.

Prosit!
Brad

Yes - I believe so - Treefrog has them for sale under JG Minitures