Why are there no samurai K&C figures? (1 Viewer)

nasirkasmani

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Hi guys,

just wanna ask why do you think there is no samurai K&C line?

i reckon it would be popular due to the culture, tradition and colourful samurai wear and gears, ninjas, geishas and stuff..

I half guessed it was due to local sensitivity, Andy have lived long in Hong Kong, and understandably hearing the horrible atrocities by the Japanese Imperial Army, he refrained from doing Japanesem and choose Chinese instead (streets of Old Hong Kong, Manchu Chinese Wedding Party, Imperial China).

But the Iwo Jima line totally blew my theory away.

anyone has any idea?
 

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Nasir,

There are a few other companies doing Samurai in nominal 54mm, most notably EofI and Monarch, who's line in these figures seems quite stunning. Maybe K&C didn't want to go down that road while other companies have such a good product.

I'm hoping that we might be in for more dynamic poses in the IC range.
There are the sword practice and spear practice sets which have more of a "fighting" pose than the rest of the range. What they need is some contempory opposition.

Cheers
H
 
I thought K&C did have samurai, in the beginning, but I may be thinking of Frontline, or my mystery samurai figures (by Ed Colaric).

Harry's right about competing with the existing lines by other manufacturers, I don't think political correctness or sensitivity has anything to do with the lack of samurai in K&C's catalog.

Of course, it is a neat idea, wouldn't it be nice to see K&C's take on the subject?

Prost!
Brad
 
Hi guys,

just wanna ask why do you think there is no samurai K&C line?

What a great question! I would jump all over this! East of India has a line

but it is no where near King & Countrys quality!

Russian Federation has a series Jumbo Bucks $150-$450 excellent quality, but

I would be much happier with a nice group of figures from King & Country vs

a handful from them.

Come on Andy......you have to relate to the Samurai:eek:

Hell you are a modern day Samurai.........Sensi Andy of the King & Country

Style! Sign me up for Black Belt......at least some Collectors Club figures

if no series is planned:D
 

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East of India has a line but it is no where near King & Countrys quality!

So glad to see we can still be subjective here.
EofI have an existing Samurai line which in my extremely humble opinion is very well done.
K&C - Don't.

H
 
The problem is once you've done connoisseur there is no going back.

I know, I know, K&C would be way cheaper but I'm more interested in the detailing than creating an army. I'd always be unfairly comparing them
 

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:D
So glad to see we can still be subjective here.
EofI have an existing Samurai line which in my extremely humble opinion is very well done.
K&C - Don't.

H

Harry:

My post was not made as a dig at E of I. Their figures are quite nice and I have several sets of them. I have been collecting figures since I was a child. As the next post suggests there are all different types of figures. Many people love the old britians figures, I knocked so many heads off as a child I feel they are far to fragile for me.

I used to spend $100+ for beautiful figures until the day I walked into Gideon's shop in NYC. I found excellent King & Country figures in a set or 4 for $89 They were collector quality, and very durable, a bent gun barrel could be straightened, the poses and castings were excellent, as was the paint work.

In fighting they use the term pound for pound to describe the skills of fighters of different weight classes.

King & Country pound for pound are the finest toy soldiers in the world.

Are the Russian Federation Figures better? Its subjective, if you had a $25 figure with a bent weapon and you were able to straighten it and put it back on display, and your $200 figure with the same problem snapped the weapon off would you still be happy?

There are always going to be people with lots of cash that can buy anything they desire......case in point.

I heard CAPITOLRON has a butler he makes dress up as Marshall Davout to answer the door.:D

There is no right or wrong in toy soldier collecting. For me, its all up to the individual. No one has to like what someone else does.

I'm just glad I can buy a quality figure I can be proud to display at a reasonable price..........and every single one of my vast army of King & Country figures still have their heads!
 
Frank, your samurai are always amazing to behold and unfortunately K&C could never produce anywhere near that quality at the current $30 per figure price point.

As you can no doubt tell by my screen name I too have asked a few times about the possibility of K&C samurai but have been told it's not in the cards. Yet anyway.

I chalk it up to a few reasons:

-the aforementioned fear of having to compete with existing manufacturers (Monarch Regalia and East of India) who already turn out a high quality line of samurai. I have a number of the EoI figures but am focusing on building a large collection of Monarch figures. They are my favourite brand and this is one case where I find glossy to be equally realistic to a matte line, because Japanese armor was in fact lacquered and glossy in appearance. Neither brand is 1:30 scale however which does leave an opening for K&C to enter the market, and there are umpteen different samurai periods and subjects left for K&C to tackle that haven’t been touched by either Monarch or EoI.

-a lack of knowledge at K&C HQ about medieval Japan. Let's face it, western textbooks have traditionally completely ignored the military traditions of the East and it's only because K&C opened up in China that they have gained enough knowledge and interest to do their wonderful SoHK line. Japan, unfortunately, is not a hotbed of toy soldier manufacturing due to Western level labour costs, so few manufacturers get to know much about Japan's amazing culture or history. And Nasirkasmani is probably very much onto something in that those manufacturers with home bases in China tend to only hear a negative portrayal of modern Japan in the local news which doesn’t help motivate them or their employees to want to do Japanese subjects.

-a perceived lack of demand among Western consumers for samurai figures. This may be valid and again stems largely (and I am very much generalizing here) from ignorance among the older generation of Western consumers about Japanese history. But I have hope this will turn completely around in the coming decades. People my age and younger who have grown up immersed in Japanese history and culture through TV shows and video games have a keen interest in the period and I can see it one day becoming one of the dominant subjects in the toy soldier hobby. You just can’t beat samurai arms and armour for their coolness factor. In comparison, for better or worse hardly anyone my age (at least in North America) cares about Colonial Britain which traditionally has been the dominant focus of toy soldier manufacturers. Interest in WW2 will probably stay strong though thanks to umpteen movies and video games educating youth about the last good war.

Now, all that said, there IS already a shaky link between K&C and samurai figures. Del Prado makes quite a nice little line of samurai generals, and Del Prado was once associated with K&C (and some people say they still are). They are large scale (65mm) and kind of static but the price can't be beat. Here's a small selection of these figs (many more can be found on ebay and other sites): http://www.tedtoy.com/delprado_samurai.htm

Other manufacturers of samurai figures include:
-The Russian Connoisseur figures of course
-Tinbay: www.Tinbay.com
-Somerset Ltd. http://somersetltd.com/samurai.html
-Frontline did one or two individual samurai but 2 figures does not a line make.
-Alymer also made a few I think.

P.S. Njja, you may be able to bend bent K&C barrels back but good luck saving the original paintwork since apparently K&C doesn't use an undercoat which leads to chipping galore. Of course, this afflicts many manufacturers including East of India as well.
 
Sad but true, however its easier to touch up a chip then replace a head:D
 
Definitely. It's good that most of the modern manufacturers use a less brittle metal that can be bent back though occassionally parts still do break off like rifle tips etc.
 
:eek:Not like some figures out of Russia, I've got a couple were the weapons are made from surgical steel and they've poked and cut me without the slightest bend, OUCH!!!:eek::(
 
What a great question! I would jump all over this! East of India has a line
but it is no where near King & Countrys quality!
...
Njja, I read your response to Harry but to me it was incomplete. The above suggests a difference in quality, not in taste. Frankly, I think that is simply not correct. If you compare a line they both do (or so will), I think the pictures speak for themselves. Opinions are fine, but should not be confused with facts.;)
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:D

Harry:

My post was not made as a dig at E of I. Their figures are quite nice and I have several sets of them. I have been collecting figures since I was a child. As the next post suggests there are all different types of figures. Many people love the old britians figures, I knocked so many heads off as a child I feel they are far to fragile for me.

I used to spend $100+ for beautiful figures until the day I walked into Gideon's shop in NYC. I found excellent King & Country figures in a set or 4 for $89 They were collector quality, and very durable, a bent gun barrel could be straightened, the poses and castings were excellent, as was the paint work.

In fighting they use the term pound for pound to describe the skills of fighters of different weight classes.

King & Country pound for pound are the finest toy soldiers in the world.

Are the Russian Federation Figures better? Its subjective, if you had a $25 figure with a bent weapon and you were able to straighten it and put it back on display, and your $200 figure with the same problem snapped the weapon off would you still be happy?

There are always going to be people with lots of cash that can buy anything they desire......case in point.

I heard CAPITOLRON has a butler he makes dress up as Marshall Davout to answer the door.:D

There is no right or wrong in toy soldier collecting. For me, its all up to the individual. No one has to like what someone else does.

I'm just glad I can buy a quality figure I can be proud to display at a reasonable price..........and every single one of my vast army of King & Country figures still have their heads!

There is no right or wrong in toy soldier collecting. For me, its all up to the individual. No one has to like what someone else does.


We share similar philosophies.
I do have a slight issue with the implied "no-one can do it better than K&C" in the original post I responded to, although it now looks like this wasn't quite the intended meaning. Nevertheless, with all due respect, that was how it came across.
I've seen quite a numerous amount of posts on here referring negatively to K&C's Roman line. Do I care? Well, not really, seeing as the few K&C Roman figures I have fit perfectly well into the theme I had in mind when I bought them.
Similarly, I have the K&C Japanese tank. Perceived wisdom, as espoused by those who seem to take some kind of pleasure in proclaiming that they know these things, is that K&C's WWII Japanese are unpopular. Unpopular with who? The members of this forum? Or the wider toy soldier collecting world, which I would suggest is only represented in the minority on this forum?
Getting back to Samurai's; for me personally, a K&C S range would be a welcome relief from the seemingly interminable new K&C SS releases - interminable releases that have their own devotee's - and why not? However, as I and others have said, a few different companies already have extremely good S ranges which appeal to certain individuals. Why would K&C want to produce a S range, and more importantly why would collectors want it, when;

a)
It would presumably be 60mm and wouldn't match the available 54mm figures. We've seen a few members bemoaning the fact that Conte Spartans are incompatible with EofI's Greeks.

b)
The paintwork probably wouldn't match with available S figures.
We've also seen plenty of posts pointing out that K&C's figures (and FAV's for that matter) are painted in a more "vibrant" finish than other manufacturers.

Points a) and b) are immaterial if you are a strictly "K&C only" collector of course - but I get the impression that most people like to "mix-and-match" figures from different manufacturers.
For example, would the diodramas we are regularly treated to on this forum concerning the War of Southern Independence be quite as exciting if they were to feature only ACW figures from K&C..?? I think not - probably be as boring as the actual events themselves. In fact K&C figures are conspicuous by their absence in our Rebellious friend's highly popular series of diodramas.

So yeah, K&C offer us quite exquisite toy soldiers for our money, two ranges in particular spring to my mind - although there are those who would rather "dance with rabid dingos" than collect either range - their porogative as far as I'm concerned. However, IMHO there are other manufacturers who's ranges are just as worthy of consideration.
And if I don't get my new K&C Mongol range by early next year, then Tinbay will be getting my money for the nice-looking Mongols they offer...:)

Cheers
H
 
:D

King & Country pound for pound are the finest toy soldiers in the world.

There are always going to be people with lots of cash that can buy anything they desire......case in point.

I heard CAPITOLRON has a butler he makes dress up as Marshall Davout to answer the door.:D

LOL !

:D :D :D :D


LOL !
 
Njja, I read your response to Harry but to me it was incomplete. The above suggests a difference in quality, not in taste. Frankly, I think that is simply not correct. If you compare a line they both do (or so will), I think the pictures speak for themselves. Opinions are fine, but should not be confused with facts.;)
KC_roman34r50.jpg

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EoIroman1.jpg
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The photos you have posted certainly prove your point.

Here are some that I believe prove my point.

Again it is just a matter of personal taste.

Perhaps I should have said King & Country offers excellent value for the money.

1st Picture E of I set APC08 3 figures $80

Remaining K&C $25 each
 

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There is no right or wrong in toy soldier collecting. For me, its all up to the individual. No one has to like what someone else does.


Interesting points one and all. I do not collecti King & Country exclusively, I buy of course what I like.

I currently have 2K worth of Russian Federation Samurai a handful of figures

if Andy put out a few Samurai...I would be all over them like a cheap suit:eek:

:eek:
 
The photos you have posted certainly prove your point.

Here are some that I believe prove my point.

Again it is just a matter of personal taste.

Perhaps I should have said King & Country offers excellent value for the money.

1st Picture E of I set APC08 3 figures $80

Remaining K&C $25 each


Sorry guys but the point is?
 
Sorry guys but the point is?

There's no controversy or arguments going on Damian, just an exchange of viewpoints. I think the point is; beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I, myself, really like the EofI figures that Njja posted, while I've never really gotten into the K&C Barbarian figures. Although I admit that the K&C Barbs are nice figures, they just don't pop my cork.
Similarly, I happen to like the few K&C Romans I have but don't intend to get the EofI Romans that Spit likes so much.
That's not to say I'm right and they're wrong. It's all down to personal choice and preference - which we all seem to be agreed on anyway.

PS. I'm back on those NICE pills again - somebody stop me...!!!

Cheers
H
 

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