Stug III - the big question (1 Viewer)

[daruss]

What is the ballpark price going to be,, $200 + AFV's is getting a little bit out of hand

 

[BrianW]

For those of us looking to aquire extra special pieces of exceptional quality to add to our collections, I would suggest we will be willing to pay a bit more than $200. I for one am eagerly awaiting the release of the Stug and of the vehicles to follow. First Legion has yet again raised the bar on quality, and yes there is a cost to this.

Regards

Brian

 

[uksubs]

For those of us looking to aquire extra special pieces of exceptional quality to add to our collections, I would suggest we will be willing to pay a bit more than $200. I for one am eagerly awaiting the release of the Stug and of the vehicles to follow. First Legion has yet again raised the bar on quality, and yes there is a cost to this.

Regards

Brian

If Dragon can make 1/35 armour for $100.00 + it come with photo etched parts why should the Stug cost $100.00 more
I would say $150.00 would be a fair price for a 1/32 scale tank & then more people would buy into the range

 

[Vezzolf]

Matt, Will this Stug III be 1:32 scale or 1:30 scale.....Also do you know when it will be released for purchase?? Thank you

 

[Spitfrnd]

What is the ballpark price going to be,, $200 + AFV's is getting a little bit out of hand

That is not a big question now since it was long ago answered in the original Stug thread. Matt has said it will be somewhere between $300 to $350. He has also said it will be 1/30 scale and is expected to be available for pre-order this month. There is a lot more information and discussion about it at http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14655
Based on the photos and discussion it would seem that it will have very little in common with the Dragon AFVs.

 

[FirstLegion]

Matt, Will this Stug III be 1:32 scale or 1:30 scale.....Also do you know when it will be released for purchase?? Thank you

As Spitfrnd has pointed out, it's 1/30th scale, not 1/32nd. As for availability for purchase, I think the pre-order will start in August at some point, but there is no actual date set as of yet. Once this one is released, our next vehicle will follow immediately on it's heels....

 

[Blowtorch]

If Dragon can make 1/35 armour for $100.00 + it come with photo etched parts why should the Stug cost $100.00 more
I would say $150.00 would be a fair price for a 1/32 scale tank & then more people would buy into the range

There's a huge market for 1/35 photoetched parts. Lots of product movement. Whatever FL is doing has to be done handmade just for their 100 or whatever units. When Dragon or whoever makes a 1/35 part, they can sell it indefinitely

 

[uksubs]

There's a huge market for 1/35 photoetched parts. Lots of product movement. Whatever FL is doing has to be done handmade just for their 100 or whatever units. When Dragon or whoever makes a 1/35 part, they can sell it indefinitely

I just think $300/350.00 is a lot of money for a toy tank when you think you can buy a 1/16 FOV King tiger tank for less

 

[Spitfrnd]

I just think $300/350.00 is a lot of money for a toy tank when you think you can buy a 1/16 FOV King tiger tank for less

If you are content with a 1/16 FOV tank then that is what you should buy. These FL productions are much more art pieces than toys, just as the Russian connoisseur figures can be hardly be considered toys.

 

[uksubs]

If you are content with a 1/16 FOV tank then that is what you should buy. These FL productions are much more art pieces than toys, just as the Russian connoisseur figures can be hardly be considered toys.

The fact is there toy soldiers & because your happy to pay $300.00 for one toy tank does not mean every one else is , if toy soldiers keep going up in price then less people will will join the hobbie

 

[SteveDavid]

To be honest, I don't really understand why this discussion is held.

As another manufacturer would say: buy what you want and if you don't like it, don't buy it.

We would of course all prefer to have our collections as "cheap" as possible, but you cannot have the butter and the price of the butter (French saying).

If you think that it is too expensive, then it might be so, and you probably shouldn't buy it then.

I don't think it is a bargain, but I will still buy it. Why don't I buy less expensive tanks done by other companies - because I don't like them. But many others do. So there we go.

These discussions don't lead anywhere and just spoil the atmosphere of the forum.

Not everyone can afford to buy a Porsche or Ferrari, but is that reason enough for Porsche or Ferrari to sell their cars at the price of a Smart? If FL takes the route it takes - top quality at a slightly higher price - and if their model works (for myslef and many others it does) we should just leave it at that.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

To be honest, I don't really understand why this discussion is held.

As another manufacturer would say: buy what you want and if you don't like it, don't buy it.

We would of course all prefer to have our collections as "cheap" as possible, but you cannot have the butter and the price of the butter (French saying).

If you think that it is too expensive, then it might be so, and you probably shouldn't buy it then.

I don't think it is a bargain, but I will still buy it. Why don't I buy less expensive tanks done by other companies - because I don't like them. But many others do. So there we go.

These discussions don't lead anywhere and just spoil the atmosphere of the forum.

Not everyone can afford to buy a Porsche or Ferrari, but is that reason enough for Porsche or Ferrari to sell their cars at the price of a Smart? If FL takes the route it takes - top quality at a slightly higher price - and if their model works (for myslef and many others it does) we should just leave it at that.

The discussion takes place because the FL Stug and figures takes people out of their comfort/affordability zone. It also forces many collectors to make hard choices in what pieces and how many they can collect. i.e. will the Stug make me as happy as the 2 or 3 cheaper pieces I would buy instead - is the difference in quality enough to justify the price? In other words, for some collectors, too much choice is a bad thing, forgetting that with all of the competition between manufacturers today, we now have a wide range of quality choices in a hobby where quality has dramatically increased for all manufacturers over the past 3 years. We also have a greater variety of armour being produced than any single company could make on its own.

Terry

 

[SteveDavid]

When I said that I didin't understand I didn't mean it literally of course - I perfectly understand why the discussion is held.

Let's put it differently - it is fruitless to have such discussions.

No arguments - neither from Matt, myself or yourself - will convince anyone to buy the Stug if he thinks it is too expensive. People that have the tendency to amass quantity over quality, that wait every month for the new releases (of repetitive poses, of re-issued tanks etc) will stick to their routine.

This discussion isn't held in the Aeroart section - but the principle is the same here - quality over quantity at a certain price. If you just collect the Stalingrad range, you don't go broke. If you want to collect all and everything, it is a different ballgame.

 

[FirstLegion]

When I said that I didin't understand I didn't mean it literally of course - I perfectly understand why the discussion is held.

Let's put it differently - it is fruitless to have such discussions.

No arguments - neither from Matt, myself or yourself - will convince anyone to buy the Stug if he thinks it is too expensive. People that have the tendency to amass quantity over quality, that wait every month for the new releases (of repetitive poses, of re-issued tanks etc) will stick to their routine.

This discussion isn't held in the Aeroart section - but the principle is the same here - quality over quantity at a certain price. If you just collect the Stalingrad range, you don't go broke. If you want to collect all and everything, it is a different ballgame.

Just to add to Steve's emminently reasonable posts, we have many customers who are Aeroart customers who absolutely love our figures and find them extremely inexpensive for the quality. So it all depends on where you're coming from. The bottom line is, if you can't afford it, don't buy it. But that doesn't mean it's not worth it (and in our case probably worth more). If our figures and forthcoming vehicles take people out of their comfort zone, well, we make no apologies for producing products significantly better at insignificantly higher prices.

Regards,

Matt

 

[BrianW]

Originally Posted by SteveDavid
When I said that I didin't understand I didn't mean it literally of course - I perfectly understand why the discussion is held.

Let's put it differently - it is fruitless to have such discussions.

No arguments - neither from Matt, myself or yourself - will convince anyone to buy the Stug if he thinks it is too expensive. People that have the tendency to amass quantity over quality, that wait every month for the new releases (of repetitive poses, of re-issued tanks etc) will stick to their routine.

This discussion isn't held in the Aeroart section - but the principle is the same here - quality over quantity at a certain price. If you just collect the Stalingrad range, you don't go broke. If you want to collect all and everything, it is a different ballgame.

Just to add to Steve's emminently reasonable posts, we have many customers who are Aeroart customers who absolutely love our figures and find them extremely inexpensive for the quality. So it all depends on where you're coming from. The bottom line is, if you can't afford it, don't buy it. But that doesn't mean it's not worth it (and in our case probably worth more). If our figures and forthcoming vehicles take people out of their comfort zone, well, we make no apologies for producing products significantly better at insignificantly higher prices.

Well said gentlemen.

Regards

Brian

 

[Rob]

Guys,there was a real buzz about FL in the bar at the London show.Not everyone were buying them ,but this was definitley not because of quality or price which everyone agreed was spot on,many people also said if they had purchased them they would have them as a seperate collection.

The paint job on the faded uniforms was really very well done in my view,really good attention to detail.

Rob

 

[jazzeum]

With all due respect, and speaking only as a collector and not one of the moderators, I agree with Steve and not sure why there is a controversy. If you like 'em, 'buy em. If you think they are too expensive, then you won't. I haven't seen any of the WW II items in the flesh yet, but I do have one of the Napoleonic figures and they're top rate, which I suppose is not really the issue, but I thought I'd say that anyway.

 

[Spitfrnd]

The fact is there toy soldiers & because your happy to pay $300.00 for one toy tank does not mean every one else is , if toy soldiers keep going up in price then less people will will join the hobbie

Actually I don't buy 1/32 tanks by any manufacturer. However, as I have said before, whatever one chooses to call these figures, I find all those that merit the collectible title to be something other than "toys" since that term implies that they will be considered "expendable". It is a truism that not everyone will buy more expensive higher quality products of any type. That is why there are Walmarts and Sacks in the same world. Frankly, I am impressed and appreciative that FL has found a price point well below Aeroart that can still deliver figures of such quality. Whether each person choses to buy them is of course a personal decision that is a function of each individual's utility function. Some will chose to buy less at the higher price, others prefer more at a lower price; c'est la vie.

 

[graycap]

I must confess I'm still somewhat confused as to the scale of the Stug model. Is it 1/30 ie compatable with K&C/Figarti etc or is is 1/32 compatable with Britains, Conte, ONWTC etc. The figures (which are superb) which I saw at the London show struck me as more 1/32 and the comparison photos on FL's web site show that their figures are much smaller than K&C's so I assume that the STUG is the same scale ie 1/32.

 

[Spitfrnd]

I must confess I'm still somewhat confused as to the scale of the Stug model. Is it 1/30 ie compatable with K&C/Figarti etc or is is 1/32 compatable with Britains, Conte, ONWTC etc. The figures (which are superb) which I saw at the London show struck me as more 1/32 and the comparison photos on FL's web site show that their figures are much smaller than K&C's so I assume that the STUG is the same scale ie 1/32.

There was much on scale (a bit too much actually) in the original Stug thread but Matt has said the vehicles are accurate 1/30 scale, which given that vehicles are a fixed and knowable actual size is simple to confirm. Whether any given figure is a given scale is much more complicated since you have to assume a figure height and to some extent, a body type (e.g. ecto, meso endo). The short answer appears to be that if K&C vehicles are 1/30, they would be size compatible with this vehicle. The figures do not appear to be so, whatever their scale. For a full discussion I would see the prior thread.