Does Size Matter? (1 Viewer)

[Phantom Warrior]

From the FL threads Nas posted some side by side comparison photos of the FL and K&C stugs.

I am surprised at the relative sizes of the FL and K&C Stugs. At Chicago, I was able to compare only the size of the figures as George at Minuteman Toy Soldiers did not have any K&C Stugs. The FL figures are noticeably much smaller but the FL Stug is muchh larger than I expected.

They just had to make their figure sizes at the opposite ends of the spectrum.

And there are also size issues between old and current K&C AFV scales, between Figarti and K&C figures and even between the recent Figarti Sherman models themselves. The recent Figarti models are all a bit smaller than the comparable K&C AFVs.

The grey FL Stug is a nice piece and would fit in with the Figarti pieces, if not the K&C German ones. It's just the figures that would be a problem. I wonder what reaction would I get if I bought the FL stug and posted photos with only K&C tank riders.

I give up. There is no consistency. I think I'll just lower my standards on scale and continue to enjoy collecting and displaying AFVs.

Terry

 

[OzDigger]

I was also surprised at the LARGE size of the First Legion Stug

Most collectors say the First Legion WWII figures are SMALL compared to figures from other 1/30 scale manufacturers so naturally I thought the new First Legion Stug would also be undersized.

For example here's a photo taken by another collector that clearly demonstrates the small size of the First Legion figures against their new Stug.

 

[Simpson & his donkey.]

Gee that grey stug looks great .Simmo

 

[Rob]

The main thing for me is that all items have to look like they belong together,if the size diff is not obvious then it may work for me.I know some people have a very eclectic mix of styles and sizes within their collection,but not me I'm afraid.

Looking forward to seeing FL's Stug in London and deciding for myself,must be one of the most talked about AFV's ever!.

Rob

 

[wayne556517]

From the FL threads Nas posted some side by side comparison photos of the FL and K&C stugs.

I am surprised at the relative sizes of the FL and K&C Stugs. At Chicago, I was able to compare only the size of the figures as George at Minuteman Toy Soldiers did not have any K&C Stugs. The FL figures are noticeably much smaller but the FL Stug is muchh larger than I expected.

They just had to make their figure sizes at the opposite ends of the spectrum.

And there are also size issues between old and current K&C AFV scales, between Figarti and K&C figures and even between the recent Figarti Sherman models themselves. The recent Figarti models are all a bit smaller than the comparable K&C AFVs.

The grey FL Stug is a nice piece and would fit in with the Figarti pieces, if not the K&C German ones. It's just the figures that would be a problem. I wonder what reaction would I get if I bought the FL stug and posted photos with only K&C tank riders.

I give up. There is no consistency. I think I'll just lower my standards on scale and continue to enjoy collecting and displaying AFVs.

Terry

Go On Terry do it put those K+C tankers in one,might convince me to buy one,300US is alot of money for 1 vehicle tho........

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Go On Terry do it put those K+C tankers in one,might convince me to buy one,300US is alot of money for 1 vehicle tho........

That's just it Wayne. $300 is a lot for just one vehicle.

Terry

 

[Spitfrnd]

The simple truth, which seems inconvenient to some, is that you cannot draw the size conclusions suggested here from the photos provided. That said, there are some better photos than the ones posted here for those that just must pursue such a comparison and they interestingly point to a rather different conclusion.

This one shows the FL Germans against the K&C A model that appear to be on the large size if it is truly the scale suggested. This is quite interesting given the determined posts by some suggesting they were actually 1/32 scale.

These next two show the same soldiers against the more detailed FL F model, which from Frank's posted specs, appear about the right height for the vehicle. Note in particular these photos and this real photo of an F model also posted by Frank.

Interesting, the eyes of the FL and real German appear about in the same place, which to my simple appreciation of matters, does suggest a true conformity of scale. For those that may have forgotten, intentionally or clinically, Frank did post a true scale comparison of the figures sometime back which showed the German rifle was in perfect 1/30 scale and that the figures also matched the rifle.

Again, it is not possible to do the comparison seemingly desired or projected here from any of the photos to date but at least these appear to offer a more accurate perspective, which I have no doubt will be as enthusiastically decried by some of the faithful as the impossible conclusions offered to date.

 

[OzDigger]

The main thing for me is that all items have to look like they belong together,if the size diff is not obvious then it may work for me.I know some people have a very eclectic mix of styles and sizes within their collection,but not me I'm afraid.

Looking forward to seeing FL's Stug in London and deciding for myself,must be one of the most talked about AFV's ever!.

Rob

Rob, I agree and no doubt so do most collectors that used to build plastic kits as we tend to more aware of scale variations. However in my experience most people that collect traditional Toy Soldiers are often less fussy about Scale and thus have a more eclectic collection.

Most collectors with model building experience are aware that seemingly small differences in the dimensions of models equates to a significant difference in their overall size and appearance.

For example, the hull of the recent King & Country Tunisian Tiger is only 1 cm Longer than their earlier Wittman Tiger and 0.5 cm Wider. However when you look at the two together the Tunisian Tiger appears much larger than the old Wittman Tiger which is closer to 1/32.

Here's an overhead of the K & C Stug and the First Legion Stug side by side demonstrating a similar dimension difference to the above Tiger variances noting that we are already aware that the K & C Stug is correct 1/30 scale for Length and Width

Of course photos are less accurate than direct measurements. However Direct Overhead shots have proven to be far more reliable than Obliques which are affected by the aspect of the lens. For example, when you take a photo of a figure against a model tank from a Low aspect it will make the figure look taller.

 

[fmethorst]

This thread needs a little humor.

Can you imagine the discussion regarding scale if a manufacturer had this much variance in their figures?

Terry, thanks for starting a manufacturer neutral thread on scale.

 

[Spitfrnd]

This thread needs a little humor.

Can you imagine the discussion regarding scale if a manufacturer had this much variance in their figures?

Terry, thanks for starting a manufacturer neutral thread on scale.

LOL Frank.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

This thread needs a little humor.

Can you imagine the discussion regarding scale if a manufacturer had this much variance in their figures?

Terry, thanks for starting a manufacturer neutral thread on scale.

Nice one, slipping in a Hitler Youth propaganda photo I was hoping the scale discussion would stay here but most posts seem to end up on the FL thread. In my opinion, both stugs look pretty accurate - it's the figure sizes that are different, but even there not as much as your photo.

Terry

 

[Phantom Warrior]

When I started this thread, the intention was to have a general discussion on scale differences between all manufacturers and also between models by the same manufacturer. But it very quickly shifted into the old argument on FL figures size, now extended to the scale of the AFVs. I forget who said in a post a few months ago that once the FL stug came out, we would know for sure about the scale because unlike a person's height and body shape which differs between individuals, the size of the stug is known and the model can be accurately measured. To the person who said the issuing of the stug model would end the debate - you were wrong

Terry

 

[Rob]

LOL Frank.

Do you think the German officer is saying in Monty Python womens voice;

'Ooooh does it tickle when I do this,oooh does it tickle'?!

Rob

 

[Rob]

I don't care who makes what, I just enjoy discussing models - whoever makes them.

Yes me too,even if I'm not buying the product I find these discussions fascinating.

Ok so as Terry's thread is about scale,can I ask you guys a question?.If you were making a dio featuring K&C or Figarti figures and you wanted say a crashed Kubelwagon or Tank (model kit) in the background,what scale would you go for?.

Rob

 

[OzDigger]

Yes me too,even if I'm not buying the product I find these discussions fascinating.

Ok so as Terry's thread is about scale,can I ask you guys a question?.If you were making a dio featuring K&C or Figarti figures and you wanted say a crashed Kubelwagon or Tank (model kit) in the background,what scale would you go for?.

Rob

Rob, I guess 1/32 would be the best as it's closest to 1/30 and gives dioramas some depth by perspective. However pre-built 1/35 scale models are far more common than 1/32 on ebay and in hobby shops.

 

[Rob]

Thanks Oz.I have made plenty of Tamiya 1/35 scale models and figures over the years and was wondering if one of these would work in the background,in fact thats probably what I should have asked in my original question!.

I thought if I made the model myself I could include more damage, wear and tear etc.

Rob

 

[OzDigger]

Rob, I long ago stopped making kits but have bought several prebuilt military vehicles on ebay over recent years, and at cheap prices. I suspect most of the models I bought belonged to guys that got married and their new wives soon got sick of those 'dust collectors' - as most females like to call plastic models.

 

[Rob]

Rob, I long ago stopped making kits but have bought several prebuilt military vehicles on ebay over recent years, and at cheap prices. I suspect most of the models I bought belonged to guys that got married and their new wives soon got sick of those 'dust collectors' - as most females like to call plastic models.

Ah yes,the universal experience!.Not many newly wed wives want a Tiger on the bookshelf.I still like browsing Tamiya models though,they make some good stuff.

Rob

 

[OzDigger]

Ah yes,the universal experience!.Not many newly wed wives want a Tiger on the bookshelf.I still like browsing Tamiya models though,they make some good stuff.

Rob

I guess new brides prefer a Tiger in the bedroom Tamiya have always been my preferred kit, not that we had much kit choice back then compared to the hundreds of manufacturers they have these days.

 

[Rob]

I guess new brides prefer a Tiger in the bedroom Tamiya have always been my preferred kit, not that we had much kit choice back then compared to the hundreds of manufacturers they have these days.

Yes there is huge choice now isn't there,as a kid it seemed to be Airfix or nothing,not that we minded as we loved Airfix kits.I better not start remembering the old days though,I will get boring very quickly

Rob