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Louis Badolato
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It was specifically frowned upon by Patton (I don't think any of the other allied generals made any specific statements about it). In Patton's memoirs (in the midst of misstatements about the effectiveness of the allied tanks [at the end of each report, he would always give totals of German tanks lost substantially higher than numbers of Allied tanks lost, and claim that these tanks were knocked out by the Allied tanks]) he states that adding extra protection, like sandbags, was unnecessary and took away from the aggressive nature of the troops.
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My order is already in. There's a certain 3 star general looking over the tank. Andy would say it's not Patton as he doesn't have the rights to use him. So my question is how many 3 star generals were there in Europe in late 1944/early 1945. It's not a trick question. I'd like to know.
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I am probably ordering one, but I was hoping for the long barrel with the muzzle on the end. As a kid, I had a model Sherman like that ,sandbagged and all. I am guessing the Sherman I yearned for was a different edition from this one. May have to get a saw out and replace the gun 
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It looks good to me, but I am holding off for now. Not to restart the numbers issue again but 1200+ is a lot and so there may be no rush. This will sell better than Panzer Meyer no doubt, but should be some around. Also, let's call it a Patton figure for crying out loud. There is no way the Patton estate can tie up a historical image indefinitely. If so, I am tracking down the heirs to Abe Lincoln. Lastly, the HB Shermans are lurking out there for another showdown, including a Cassino/Polish version.
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I have a verbal order in to a vendor already. As soon as payment is received for an eBay item I'll even put a deposit on it.
Couple notes based on above comments. Like Louis said, Patton was the main detractor of sandbagging. As an old cavalryman he valued mobility and aggressive tactics. There was also the wear and tear on the tank. HOWEVER it was Patton's Third Army that standardized a STEEL armor upgrade. Due to the limited production of M4A3E2 "assault" tanks (often called "Jumbos"), the Third Army authorized workshops to take steel plates off wrecked Shermans and use that to "double up" the frontal armor on several hundred M4A3s in 1945. There were three problems with the Shermans' protection; ammo stowage (addressed in later "wet stowage" Shermans), high-velocity German guns (thicker armor needed - addressed in a limited number of tanks) and the proliferation of hollow-charge AT weapons (Panzerfaust,etc) which was the main reason for the sandbags. A sandbag isn't going to do much against at 75mm or 88mm AP shot at combat ranges, but was thought to help break up the warhead jet from a Panzerfaust. Note that although Third Army was on record as against the sandbags, Patch's 7th Army not only didn't care, but their 14th Armored Division is the outfit that had standard metal framing added (like the new K&C model) that held sandbags on the upper hull and turret. First and Ninth Armies didn't seem to have a policy.
As far as the muzzle brake of 76mm guns - the M4A3 76W could have three different guns - 76mm gun M1 had a plain muzzle, M1A1 had the muzzle threaded, but the threads were covered with a protective collar, M1A1C and M1A2 had a muzzle brake fitted. Any of these guns could appear, so Andy's 76mm tank is fully correct.
Gary
Couple notes based on above comments. Like Louis said, Patton was the main detractor of sandbagging. As an old cavalryman he valued mobility and aggressive tactics. There was also the wear and tear on the tank. HOWEVER it was Patton's Third Army that standardized a STEEL armor upgrade. Due to the limited production of M4A3E2 "assault" tanks (often called "Jumbos"), the Third Army authorized workshops to take steel plates off wrecked Shermans and use that to "double up" the frontal armor on several hundred M4A3s in 1945. There were three problems with the Shermans' protection; ammo stowage (addressed in later "wet stowage" Shermans), high-velocity German guns (thicker armor needed - addressed in a limited number of tanks) and the proliferation of hollow-charge AT weapons (Panzerfaust,etc) which was the main reason for the sandbags. A sandbag isn't going to do much against at 75mm or 88mm AP shot at combat ranges, but was thought to help break up the warhead jet from a Panzerfaust. Note that although Third Army was on record as against the sandbags, Patch's 7th Army not only didn't care, but their 14th Armored Division is the outfit that had standard metal framing added (like the new K&C model) that held sandbags on the upper hull and turret. First and Ninth Armies didn't seem to have a policy.
As far as the muzzle brake of 76mm guns - the M4A3 76W could have three different guns - 76mm gun M1 had a plain muzzle, M1A1 had the muzzle threaded, but the threads were covered with a protective collar, M1A1C and M1A2 had a muzzle brake fitted. Any of these guns could appear, so Andy's 76mm tank is fully correct.
Gary
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Ana indicated in one of her posts that there would be a number of different HB Shermans. I have forgotten most of the details, but the Cassino Sherman was specifically mentioned. I think she indicated they would be available later this year, but that may have changed. Maybe for the London show?
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Pre-ordered mine yesterday once I knew it was on the list... Looks like one of the greatest BBG sets yet.. I first wouldn't start collecting the Battle of the Bulge series because of the large D-Day collection and it does get expensive after a while, but since I have bought my first set, The price of deception, i was taken for more.. But I am sure you all know the feeling I have been on a holiday this summer and went to The Ardennes. In La Gleize there is a great museum wich has a King Tiger in front of it.. Inside there is a large collection of WWII material and also a fez like the Handschar wears.. And it looks even greater in person, I have taken a picture and compared the colors with my figure.. As expected it matched perfectly, as usual..
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At the Chicago Show, Ana mentioned HB would be releasing the Ford amphibious jeep first and that the Sherman was probably next year.
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You are correct; they do not have indefinite rights. However, they currently have the rights and anyone who wants to profit from the image needs to obtain a license.
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You are correct; they do not have indefinite rights. However, they currently have the rights and anyone who wants to profit from the image needs to obtain a license.
As in license to print money
I can see this set selling out fast because it has a well known personality and a relatively low production run, to low imo as was Rommel's Greif set. And of course one of the first K & C tanks with new and improved tracks.
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can what till december .
richard
Hi Richard-
Do I have to understand that you will be in London? If yes, please be our reporter.
Pierre.
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Peirre
Would be great if we could have an independant reportor for the forum on the London Show.
Problem we have as the organisers of the Toy Soldier Show London is that the day is to busy for us to send in reports. Plus also at the end of the show this year there is an evening with K&C UK and Andy Neilson to launch the new K&C produced K&CUK models.
My day starts at 3am and goes on until 12am!!
there are 5 - 10 UK based treefrog forum members that i know of that will be there so maybe one of them will step up to the mark (Rob!! UK BOD? Panda) i know Eazy would but he would not be home til late !!!
I will get some good shots of the K&C stuff for all .
Show will be good our stand is 12tables 72ft of pure K&C (well and a bit of JG)
tehre are 250 tables altogether and they are all booked by traders. On the new front there is us, Conti, Corgi, Figarti, HB, NMA, Frontline, Niena Studios, Britains to name but a few and then there is a mass of old and new traders with a mix of items. Also some great Toysoldier dealers, MKL, Tradtion Maison Militare etc
Going to be a good one
Tony
Would be great if we could have an independant reportor for the forum on the London Show.
Problem we have as the organisers of the Toy Soldier Show London is that the day is to busy for us to send in reports. Plus also at the end of the show this year there is an evening with K&C UK and Andy Neilson to launch the new K&C produced K&CUK models.
My day starts at 3am and goes on until 12am!!
there are 5 - 10 UK based treefrog forum members that i know of that will be there so maybe one of them will step up to the mark (Rob!! UK BOD? Panda) i know Eazy would but he would not be home til late !!!
I will get some good shots of the K&C stuff for all .
Show will be good our stand is 12tables 72ft of pure K&C (well and a bit of JG)
tehre are 250 tables altogether and they are all booked by traders. On the new front there is us, Conti, Corgi, Figarti, HB, NMA, Frontline, Niena Studios, Britains to name but a few and then there is a mass of old and new traders with a mix of items. Also some great Toysoldier dealers, MKL, Tradtion Maison Militare etc
Going to be a good one
Tony
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Am gutted about this.Would have loved to be the show's reporter but as i have to be somewhere on that day i will be there at about 7.30am only for a short while and then coming back to the hotel in the evening for the do with Andy.Sorry about this chaps.
Rob
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Dear pierre.
I am certainly that day on the londonshow and my ears and look its
certainly open for the information which is there that day. I send it,
however, on to Canada as worth it am. it remains always still not
possible put photograph on the site. vriendelijken greet richard.
I am certainly that day on the londonshow and my ears and look its
certainly open for the information which is there that day. I send it,
however, on to Canada as worth it am. it remains always still not
possible put photograph on the site. vriendelijken greet richard.