Early Albatros critique (1 Viewer)

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As some of you may know, I am a rivet counter when it comes to WW1 aircraft. This is my early take on the KC Albartros models. This is a critique taken from photos only and might change with a hands on exam.
1- Like many modelers over the years, KC has issued what they call an Albatros D-V. The plane KC has issued has characteristics of the Albatros D-III, D-V, and DVa.
A- The KC model has flat fuselage sides (in appearance and cross section) and the rear edge of the tail skid is an almost straight
up and down (90 degrees) as it rises to the fuselage underside.
These are indicative of a D-III. The D-V and D-Va have rounded fuselage sides (in appearance and cross section) and the rear
edge of the tail skid should be a much shallower angle (about 45 degrees) as it rises towards the fuselage underside.
B- The D-V had interior aileron control cables (ie., wouldn't be seen on the model). The KC model has exterior aileron controls, a
characteristic of the D-III and the D-Va.
2- The individual aircraft colors. Each craft have some small problems.
The Voss aircraft:
A- The spinner should be red, not silver as on the model.
B- I have been unable to confirm that Voss flew a D-5 in these colors but this is not to say he didn't. The photos and history
of the Albatros in these colors are all for the D-III model. Even so, there should be two white stripes on the upper wing.
C- As a D-III, the camo on the upper wing of the Voss machine would have been a tri-color mix of Brunswick green, dark olive green,
and Venetian red. The green and mauve used by KC came later, but may have been applied to a later Voss D-V.
D- Finally, and I admit, open to speculation, the thin stripe around the fuselage, right before the tail assembly, should probably
be black, not mauve as on the model, but might have been green, as well.
The Goering aircraft:
A- The spinner should be white, not silver.
B- The struts should be white, not black.
C- I have no picture of the wing undersides but there should be a black stripe and a black numeral 1 on the underside of each side of
the bottom wing.
The Richthofen aircraft:
A- The spinner should be red, not silver.
Richthofen flew many different Albatros aircraft. The serial # that is evident on the KC model, #4693/17, is correct for the D-V
series. Could well be correct for Richthofen. Many of Richthofen's aircraft had the serial #'s overpainted and can't be confirmed.
That's about all for right now. The aircraft are all beautiful and but for what I noted from the pictures and commented on, pretty accurate. I don't really understand why all the spinners were painted silver on all of them, especially when the actual colors are well known. That is an easy error to correct, for those who care. At any rate, I will now prepare for counter-battery fire and pre-order the Voss aircraft.:wink2: -- Al
 
Al,

As a well known afficionado of all things WW I, but especially airplanes, I'm sure you won't be tarred and feathered too much ^&grin

Hopefully, the spinner color issue can be fixed.

Any reason why you chose one plane over the others as they all look rather nice.
 
Al,

As a well known afficionado of all things WW I, but especially airplanes, I'm sure you won't be tarred and feathered too much ^&grin

Hopefully, the spinner color issue can be fixed.

Any reason why you chose one plane over the others as they all look rather nice.
Brad, I have always liked the Voss Albatros and it's variety of colors and symbols. Just much more interesting than the von R Albatros and the Goering Albatros. Producing the Voss aircraft was an inspired choice by KC whereas the von R was rather mandatory and the Goering, well, his later notoriety is responsible for it's inclusion. Just for the accuracy issue, KC should relable these aircraft as D-III's. I think the Voss machine is a real corker and will get it, for sure. -- Al
 
Al..

I have come to you before for details and info on JJD aircraft and, bought on that info you supplied. so, this critique/opinion post is very welcome and, for those who do not know greatly appreciated.

I hope like JJD did the company takes on board your comments and recifies the points you raise. Great post
Mitch
 
Hey all, just to be clear, these aircraft are more accurate as the D-III model. All can pass for D-III's with only the von Richthofen Albatros needing it's serial # changed. As D-V's, accuracy is more problematic. Even the curved rear edge of the rudders, a typical D-V characteristic, was used on the later and repaired D-III's. The flat fuselage sides, tail skid, and exposed aileron wires, all scream D-III. -- Al
 
I saw these planes up close at the Westcoaster. I highly recommend you see them in person before drawing any conclusions. Ask anyone who has been on any on-line dating site, pictures are very deceiving.......
 
Al..

I have come to you before for details and info on JJD aircraft and, bought on that info you supplied. so, this critique/opinion post is very welcome and, for those who do not know greatly appreciated.

I hope like JJD did the company takes on board your comments and recifies the points you raise. Great post
Mitch
Thanks, Mitch. I appreciate the kind comments. -- Al
 
I saw these planes up close at the Westcoaster. I highly recommend you see them in person before drawing any conclusions. Ask anyone who has been on any on-line dating site, pictures are very deceiving.......
Quite agree and I made that exact point in my critique. I was working only off the photos that are published:wink2: -- Al
 
Thanks for the critique Al. Nothing wrong with pointing out things to those that have an interest in accuracy. These are nice looking planes although WW1 is not something I collect very much.
 
Now this is what the forum is all about .... a tremendous amount of superb information and good discussion. Thanks 10Xs over for the details. Learned a lot in 5 min.
 
Al - thanks for a very detailed critique. After studying the photos, text and plates in 'Von Richthofen's flying Circus' by Greg VanWyngarden, I would agree with most of your comments. Overall, I think the planes are 'more' DIII, but the OAW version of the DIII. The tail skid and engine side vents and access flaps are certainly DIII, although I think the tail shape could be DV or DIII (OAW version). Also, I'm not sure about the ailerons - I am looking at a clear picture of a DV (not a DVa) that has exterior ailerons like the K&C models....

As for the colours, there is so much speculation about actual colours and who is not to say that at some point the spinners could have been silver and then re-painted? There are several photographs and reports of MVR's planes with red spinners, so that's a fair assumption to run with. Although Ferko's book on Richthofen has an early MVR DIII with a silver spinner, before the rest of the plane got the red all over treatment!

Here's why I think the models are accurate enough for me:

1.I fully accept that the same Albatross model / version has been produced in 3 different colour schemes for production / cost reasons, so inevitably this will cause a few 'discrepancies' for each. Otherwise, K&C would have had to find very clear details and pictures of 3 well-known aces with their same version Albatross (a tall order!)

2.It is well documented that many pilots (and especially MVR) had their mechanics modify their planes, since certain characteristics or parts from different types (versions) were preferred. Lots of re-painting was done too, may not have always been captured on camera and exact colours are often not 100% detectable from grainy black & white photographs...

3.The Albatross versions are very confusing and although there are some notable differences to the discerning eye, even though I've built several models and read many books on them, I still forget and had to reference them again tonight!

For me, they are pretty close / accurate, look fantastic and I have ordered the MVR and Voss sets plus the Goering figure. Congratulations to Andy and K&C for producing these great looking planes at what seems a fair price. The King & Country UK website now says the production run is only 150 of each so they won't be around for long! I hope there are several more WW1 airfield releases.

P.S. I did laugh when I read Panzer ace's comment about on-line dating agency pictures!!!!
 
Al - thanks for a very detailed critique. After studying the photos, text and plates in 'Von Richthofen's flying Circus' by Greg VanWyngarden, I would agree with most of your comments. Overall, I think the planes are 'more' DIII, but the OAW version of the DIII. The tail skid and engine side vents and access flaps are certainly DIII, although I think the tail shape could be DV or DIII (OAW version). Also, I'm not sure about the ailerons - I am looking at a clear picture of a DV (not a DVa) that has exterior ailerons like the K&C models....

As for the colours, there is so much speculation about actual colours and who is not to say that at some point the spinners could have been silver and then re-painted? There are several photographs and reports of MVR's planes with red spinners, so that's a fair assumption to run with. Although Ferko's book on Richthofen has an early MVR DIII with a silver spinner, before the rest of the plane got the red all over treatment!

Here's why I think the models are accurate enough for me:

1.I fully accept that the same Albatross model / version has been produced in 3 different colour schemes for production / cost reasons, so inevitably this will cause a few 'discrepancies' for each. Otherwise, K&C would have had to find very clear details and pictures of 3 well-known aces with their same version Albatross (a tall order!)

2.It is well documented that many pilots (and especially MVR) had their mechanics modify their planes, since certain characteristics or parts from different types (versions) were preferred. Lots of re-painting was done too, may not have always been captured on camera and exact colours are often not 100% detectable from grainy black & white photographs...

3.The Albatross versions are very confusing and although there are some notable differences to the discerning eye, even though I've built several models and read many books on them, I still forget and had to reference them again tonight!

For me, they are pretty close / accurate, look fantastic and I have ordered the MVR and Voss sets plus the Goering figure. Congratulations to Andy and K&C for producing these great looking planes at what seems a fair price. The King & Country UK website now says the production run is only 150 of each so they won't be around for long! I hope there are several more WW1 airfield releases.

P.S. I did laugh when I read Panzer ace's comment about on-line dating agency pictures!!!!
Great post, Jameson. Agree with your points. The planes are definetly D-III in virtually all points, down to the OAW rudders. I am still convinced, though, that the exterior aileron wire feature is a D-III and D-Va feature, not a D-V feature. Exceptions to any production series can be found, but the interior wires were a special feature of the D-V that was discarded when the D-Va was produced. I do not know why the older, exterior wire feature was returned to on the D-Va but I suspect it might have been because of field maintenence. As you point out, coloring on WW1 aircraft is a real crap-shoot and even the experts disagree on the tonal values of the old b/w photos as film type, lighting, weather, and just about everything else can effect a picture. I can hardly wait until someone starts producing the Fok. D-VII with it's myriad of different features (engine covers, especially), produced by so many different makers. I also think the Albatros models from KC are a good value at their price point and the low production numbers are sure to guarantee a fast exit from the retail scene. -- Al
 
I don't know much about aircraft, but I do know I like what I see with these beauties.

Have any of you seen the WINGNUTS website where they have deatiled info on WW1 Aircraft made as kits?

Here is the ALBATROSS DV http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/product?productid=27

and the ALBATROSS DVa http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/product?productid=29

lots of pictures, colour schemes etc.

I think Andy got his inspiration when visiting the Australian War Memorial in 2009 and say the "Over the Front" exhibition and saw this
PAIU2008_133_09.jpg


Brett, Howard, Matt and I were there too :)

Maybe we will in for more A/C as they also had an SE5a and a Pfalz D.XII

John
 
Al,
Interesting critique.

Whilst you have commented upon the technical aspects you did not mention price and the fact a full figure is
included in that price ($199). Or the fact only 150 of each version. Whilst not technical aspects they are factors which may also
may have an impact on the prospective buyer.

Regards
Brett
 
Brett..

Al did mention that very point you must have missed it!!!
Mitch

Al,
Interesting critique.

Whilst you have commented upon the technical aspects you did not mention price and the fact a full figure is
included in that price ($199). Or the fact only 150 of each version. Whilst not technical aspects they are factors which may also
may have an impact on the prospective buyer.

Regards
Brett
 
Mitch,

Jamo did make a mention of that point but as you say I must have missed Al's reference to it. I did after all not
initially notice it when I first read the Despatches.

Regards
Brett
 
No problem. I do agree I would be amazed at the number whether they will be around for christmas at the latest
Mitch

Mitch,

Jamo did make a mention of that point but as you say I must have missed Al's reference to it. I did after all not
initially notice it when I first read the Despatches.

Regards
Brett
 
I plan on getting the Voss Albatros and the other two pilot figures. Anybody planning on grabbing all 3 of these planes? Despite my criticisms, I think these are great looking models, which, even though they would be better labled D-III's for accuracy, will make great centerpieces for a WW1 aviation collector. -- Al
 
These will sell out quick. I am thinking of simply getting all 3 so that I have no regrets later.
 

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