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Guy

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Would be nice if K&C could publish next to the $ price of the figures and vehicles also the price in €'s, so that prices are comparable. Let me explain why:
example:
BBA50 US armored jeep and BBA51 trailer are published with a original $ price of resp:$155 and $41 .Set is $196
In Belgium these prices are converted into euros and become €156 and € 42 =€198 for the set (incl VAT), but
€156 at the current rate of exchange is $214, the trailer at €42 is $58 : set =$272=+$76 !!!!! compared with the original price in $
Typhoon has an original price tag of $ 369, which becomes € 370= at current rate of exchange $507
These exuberant exchange rates are driving a lot of collectors away from their hobby.
I know there are transport costs and VAT, but these elements are also true for the published $ prices or am I wrong ,
guy:(
 
Guy it is more but have you see want te pay voor KC at the UK .
richard .
 
Why would they do that, particularly as they sell to a wide variety of collectors in many countries. As the dollar is the currency that is considered the universal standard for measurement, to state prices in several currencies could become a little chaotic. If someone wants to check to see how much an item is in Euros, Pounds, Pesos, Renmenbi or what have you, they only need to go to xe.com. I often do that when deciding to buy something from England.
 
maybe you should think about buying your stuff in other countries... Maybe it´s cheaper.
 
Always wondered why K&C UK charges ++ for the same exact new product just coming out more than the USA prices from K&C HK.................."Code: BBG049 Name: Stug. III Ausf. G Price: US$229.00 vs.
BBG49 Stug III Ausf G Price £225.95 inc VAT"...............at todays exchange rate, 225.95 GBP = 355.668 USD. Is "VAT" that much?????????????
 
If your buying out side of the EU your get stopped import charges :mad:

For sure we can get better price in the EU as well. For example the German prices (without shipping).

BBA050 Jeep 130 Euro
BBA051 Trailer 34 Euro
RAF030 Typhoon 295 Euro
 
For sure we can get better price in the EU as well. For example the German prices (without shipping).

BBA050 Jeep 130 Euro
BBA051 Trailer 34 Euro
RAF030 Typhoon 295 Euro

Fatboy,
do you have a name of a shop in Germany where I could buy at these prices .
guy:eek:
 
In Australia we pay the $US price, and I'm sure all other do, but you need to add on your local taxes and the daily conversion rate.

I that way we all should pay the same... but I think its the dealers who add thier profits.... any comments from dealers???

I buy from the cheapest price, who also has the best service in OZ, so shop around!

John
 
the retail price is the cost set by K&C? dealer discounts will be already added into that and, a different issue and not relevant to this discussion. they have to sell at the prices set by Hong kong and K&C in the UK. I don't think dealers add extra on for their profit margins. This is about conversion rates and taxes for varying countries. Its an unfair system depending on where you live and the taxes that have to be paid on items. the UK is very bad as is euro zone as Guy has shown.
Mitch

In Australia we pay the $US price, and I'm sure all other do, but you need to add on your local taxes and the daily conversion rate.

I that way we all should pay the same... but I think its the dealers who add thier profits.... any comments from dealers???

I buy from the cheapest price, who also has the best service in OZ, so shop around!

John
 
the retail price is the cost set by K&C? dealer discounts will be already added into that and, a different issue and not relevant to this discussion. they have to sell at the prices set by Hong kong and K&C in the UK. I don't think dealers add extra on for their profit margins. This is about conversion rates and taxes for varying countries. Its an unfair system depending on where you live and the taxes that have to be paid on items. the UK is very bad as is euro zone as Guy has shown.
Mitch

Just a little clarification. Dealers can't sell below the MSRP (manufacturer's suggested retail price) but there is nothing preventing them from selling above that price. I have known of dealers who have done that.
 
Why wouldn't they charge the same amount number, regardless of the currency difference? I've always wondered this myself. You can see this more and more, as the web displays info from everywhere. Thus less easier to hide money making from the average user. Myself would look at this as an underhanded way of increasing profits for the firm. Where the dollar is the base set for the item, we can say that K&C makes a profit off a figurine;

Supposition $ to Euro / Euro to $ / Differences $ Euro
Retail: 40.00 29.14 / 40 54.91 / 14.91 25.77
MFG Cost: 20.00 14.57 / 20 27.45 / 7.45 12.88
Profit: 20.00 14.57 / 20 27.45 / 7.45 12.88

A $ bought item of $20 profit changes to $27.45 when bought with Euro's Thus a $300 Typhoon costs $411.81 when bought in Euro, an additional cost of 111.81 above and beyond the actual profit margin made.

Thus at the equivelent of euros the profit is even greater. Worlwide economics at its best. A way to change this? Who knows? Unfortunately an unrealistic cessation of K&C purchases through out the EU is most likely.
 
Hi Guys,
As an Australian dealer I have a lot of experience in the exchange rate problem.

Firstly what Guy suggests is probably not easy for K&C to do as prices vary for many reasons.

I have had great changes in the exchange rate over time. When the GFC started 3 years ago our A$ was at US cents 0.98 so almost equal which was great. However the A$ fell to almost 0.60 cents in 6 weeks (I believe Candadian $ also fell a lot at that time). As I match the US$ RRP my A$ price for K&C went up by 50% in 6 weeks :( It was not a good time and I remember a collector telling me the exchange rate he would start buying at again. Imagine if that had happened to American collectors and the reaction on the forum.

In August we were up to A$ 1 = US$ 1.10 which was great for the collector. However has jumped around recently and has changed 10% in one week recently.

My K&C prices on my web page are shown in US$ with a note saying A$ price will be calculated at time of purchase.
That rate I base on my most recent US$ transfer to a supplier and I show this on my home page. Last Thursday I got 0.95 cents and today got 1 to 1. I recently had a shipment that if I changed my price every day would have gone down 10% from time of payment to time of arrival.

I had a guy in on Tuesday who was asking for my prices. He has been in a few times before and knows I go on last transfer date. My shop customers are used to me getting the calculator out !! I sold him one item at $73 which he thought should be $69. I quoted him $280 for another three items but he thought they should be $271. He was basing his prices on 1 to 1 and also using a price on an item I had recently sold on Ebay (at a different rate). I was not willing to lower my price (ie. by $9 - an attitude issue involved) and he commented he could buy cheaper from overseas and did not buy. He made me feel like I was ripping him off. Some might think I should have taken the sale but as you might guess he is not somebody I hope to see in the shop again. My shop, my prices{sm4}. Similar to a mail order enquiry for 3 single figures who I quoted $101 to (included free postage). Asked me to match the $96 he said he could get them for from USA. Told him to go ahead.

I once had a customer who was pointing to different items and expecting them all to be priced on when they arrived. Impossible to keep track of. However if it is something like a Ltd Ed or series 250 I usually keep price at rate I paid until I have sold them all.

Another factor some collectors might not appreciate is postage costs. I watch this very carefully especially on bigger items. The most extreme example I can give is the Britains Rorkes Drift Storehouse which cost me US$210 to ship and retails in USA for $280. I remember the K&C Berlin ruin cost me A$50 to ship here and they sold for $149. I did not get one particular product because I knew postage factor would be too high relative to RRP.If the dealer then does free shipping then he might not be making any money at all.

Personally I wish the A$ would stay at 1 to 1. Life would be less complicated.

In my case the exchange rate is the most significant factor but for other dealers they might consider rent, taxes, sales tax, staff costs etc. Two years ago I let my sales assistant go as it cost too much to keep him.

Hope that gives some dealer perspective.

I won't even bother to comment upon Thompty's simplistic view of profit. I guess rent, shop fittings, stock levels, staff costs (I always enjoyed paying my staff for holidays I could not afford to take myself), sales taxes, postage, advertising, web costs, card fees, computers, insurance, utilites etc are simply not a factor.

Regards
Brett
Moral of the story ; maths is important after all :D
 
Of course my view was simplistic. I am not the shop owner. Additionally I showed only the profit margin possibility from K&C POV, not the resaler. What you do with the possible profit is of course your choice and does not matter to the buyer. Your factors, as stated, are irrelevent to the buyer. You looked at it from the dealer POV, I at the buyer POV.
I applaud your care of the staff. This demonstrates a good business sense and a good leader.

Cheers


Hi Guys,
Hope that gives some dealer perspective.

I won't even bother to comment upon Thompty's simplistic view of profit. I guess rent, shop fittings, stock levels, staff costs (I always enjoyed paying my staff for holidays I could not afford to take myself), sales taxes, postage, advertising, web costs, card fees, computers, insurance, utilites etc are simply not a factor.

Regards
Brett
Moral of the story ; maths is important after all :D
 
Brad...

Are you talking about new stock?? If you are with the way things are at the current time I would think that would be a contender for stupid act of the year. So many people are concerned about price rises I cannot imagine why anyone would further add to the prices. Well, I can!!!!
Mitch

Just a little clarification. Dealers can't sell below the MSRP (manufacturer's suggested retail price) but there is nothing preventing them from selling above that price. I have known of dealers who have done that.
 
Buying from the USA used to be good but the price of shipping as gone up a lot as well with most item costing $50.00! So now I only shop with dealers like the Treefrog who ship for free if you spend over so much.
 
Thompty,
If your figures were an attempt to show K&C profit then my comments related to business expenses equally apply
to K&C, CS, JJ, TG, etc.

You are wrong about the profit margin being irrelevant to the buyer. Every buyer wants the cheapest possible
price, we all know that. However if the seller does not make enough margin he can't pay his bills and pay for new
stock and goes out of business. Have seen it happen with small shops who based their business plan on being
cheaper and by offering too much to quick and eventually could not pay their bills. I won't mention the business by name but I can think of a classic example in the USA that has been mentioned elsewhere in this forum. It is a fine balancing
act between what is good for the seller and buyer and I am pretty sure all producers and dealers are well aware
of it and price as best they can.

Regards
Brett
 
Thompty,
If your figures were an attempt to show K&C profit then my comments related to business expenses equally apply
to K&C, CS, JJ, TG, etc.

You are wrong about the profit margin being irrelevant to the buyer. Every buyer wants the cheapest possible
price, we all know that. However if the seller does not make enough margin he can't pay his bills and pay for new
stock and goes out of business. Have seen it happen with small shops who based their business plan on being
cheaper and by offering too much to quick and eventually could not pay their bills. I won't mention the business by name but I can think of a classic example in the USA that has been mentioned elsewhere in this forum. It is a fine balancing
act between what is good for the seller and buyer and I am pretty sure all producers and dealers are well aware
of it and price as best they can.

Regards
Brett

I'll agree to disagree. What I said was the buyer could care less what the resaler does with the profit. I am not alluding to any profit margin, nor to a particular TS resaler. I understand the business aspect clearly, yet felt it being irrelevent to the buyer. Of course the buyer wants it as least expensive as possible, just as the seller want to make the best profit possible. As you may notice, I did not state the most profit, as the best profit meets the needs of the seller to pay overhead, yet apply a price the buyer is willing to pay.

^&cool
 
I would think it is safe to say that U.S. based buyers have it the easiest and cheapest when we talk about purchases. :wink2:
 

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