Don't want to give the wrong impression here, just stating a noticed fact...Im a big time WB ACW fan. Spent two grand in one year getting started....so I would do it all over again and will continue....Now my WB set #31078 arrive wounded union set #1. When I first took them out of the box I noticed they seemed small...got out the kitchen scale and compared to other newer WB and they are about 1/2 oz lighter....seem smaller.......maybe they been wounded and on short rations so lost some weight grin.....well besides that they are wonderful........Sorry if this is a repeat thread I am catching up from being down and out for awhile...