What is Really Important? (1 Viewer)

[Guy]

For my two Cents worth i would say for myself i always strive for a high level of historical accuracy...BUT..!! If i really wished badly to create a diorama/scene that SLIGHTLY bends the truth i would do so...For example i wish in the future to re-create a Union attack on the Confederate stronghold of Petersburg. using a combination of Union infantry and the 146th New York Zouaves. Now i know that this regiment were present at the siege but were not..deployed ie. not one mention of them in the actual Battle documentation and not one single casualty listed, while Union casualties in this sector were very high...But as i said i really want to make this dio so...IT"S MY CHOICE..!! And thats how it should be...Each one of us has different levels of skill, different levels of demand for historical accuracy. and should not have to run the gauntlet of sarcasm and stones from dissaproving fellow forum members...Well chosen words and helpfull hints OK..!!. but lets keep it respectfull and polite!!!!!!!.....NO i am not saying put a pink Jagdtiger in a Normandy Dio...(was"nt it a Pink Panther????)...But lets cut each other a bit of slack and just enjoy the great Hobby of Toy Soldiers....As i said just my opinion.


Steve


Remember and Respect

Steve, Maybe you cannot put a pink panther in Normandy but you certainly can put one in the Ardennes, in the village of Grandmenil . Still to be admired today - see proof -picture
guy

 

[Rob]

Steve, Maybe you cannot put a pink panther in Normandy but you certainly can put one in the Ardennes, in the village of Grandmenil . Still to be admired today - see proof -picture
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Maybe it belonged to the Nazi Tank commander that none of the other Nazi Tank commanders talked to:wink2::wink2:

Rob

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Maybe it belonged to the Nazi Tank commander that none of the other Nazi Tank commanders talked to:wink2::wink2:

Rob

Looks like the work of Easy. Remember his pink tank models :rolleyes2:{sm4}

Terry

 

[Rob]

Here is the Pink Russian T34, took the wrong turning at Kursk and ended up on waste ground at the end of a street in London and has sat there for decades.

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[Mitch]

A pink panther .... what was that nazi tank commanders favourite read?? Mein Camp!!!!

I know its bad but all I could come up with
Mitch

 

[AIDMAN]

Steve, Maybe you cannot put a pink panther in Normandy but you certainly can put one in the Ardennes, in the village of Grandmenil . Still to be admired today - see proof -picture
guy
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Guy....So the Pink Panther is alive and well and residing in Grandmenil_Ardennes!!!!!....I think i prefer the one Resting in Peace in Houffalize. Belgium.

Steve

 

[Rob]

A pink panther .... what was that nazi tank commanders favourite read?? Mein Camp!!!!

I know its bad but all I could come up with
Mitch

^&grin

So when Hitler mentioned camp Goering he wasn't talking about the Luftwaffe training camp!{eek3}^&grin

 

[Bayern]

Whilst there is always numerous debate about the accuracy of items, ie the rivot counters ' the plane looks great however in November 1940 there was no colour red as all the earthworms had died due to the un-seasonally cold weather', I always enjoy the comments in threads that relate the item to their actual contribution to the war effort.

A good example is the recent 'dispatch rider thread' where a line or two from contributors connect the figure to their actual critical contribution.

I feel it is more important to connect the item to 'the story' they represent in history rather than concentrating on whether a scale model 1:30 is perfectly replicated.

My grandfather died in WWII in Bomber Command in a Stirling; hence I collect RAF. I cannot replicate or even imagine the horrors he endured however I can have a small diaroma that when friends come over, or my son asked, I can proudly retell the story of my grandfather and the contribution he made. I doubt whether anyone cares if the wheels of the fuel trunk where only produced from '1949 onwards' (as an example, not a matter of fact).

Thanks Scott

I actually liked your posts. It taught me some things i did not know. The problem is that there are those that will bend posts towards their own agendas.

You are a bright young man. Use it to mend this world of ours.

I am fast running out of time.

Ludwig

 

[uksubs]

Just been looking kc Uk and see the new Spitfire cost £65.00 more than the old version and come with out a figure , just show expensive the hobby getting

 

[Larry Allen]

As was said by people in this thread and many other folks in many other threads ... Just have fun!

However, I do see what Mitch is saying and somewhat agree, that if we are called upon to spend some serious dollars / EUROs / Pounds, then we expect a very high degree of accuracy; but I don't expect perfection.

It appears that most of the dissatisfaction is directed towards the vehicles and planes sets. I seldom see unhappiness about a uniform not exactly correct. Or did I miss something???

I have a dozen or more books on the uniforms of the American Revolution and the War of 1812. From the Colonial point of view, it seems that the variety was endless and no two soldiers in the same outfit would necessarily match. The British were much more consistent, obviously.
Still, I understand the uniforms (from both sides) were under constant change do to many reasons.

As stated by Steve (AIDMAN) a few entries, it is impossible to have every regiment or division that actually took place in a battle or action. So you just use what TS set you have and enjoy.

So you might very well see the JJD Virginia Regiment of foot in an AWI setting or a 1755 JJD wagon being used for cover by French troops at Yorktown.

HAPPY COLLECTING EVERYONE!!!!
Larry

 

[uksubs]

the point about the rivet counters which, IMO is a rather negative and rude comment in its own right is we are not collecting in a hobby that produces stuff like FOV and other small companies at cheap as chips prices. Its constantly printed and stated in person that we are collecting and replicating history. If thats the case and, whether prices are too high or not then, the sets that are released should be accurate and, exact in detail.

We are not wanting things that were not produced like the paper panzers that are being made in the plastic hobby these items were produced fought and, have been minutely inspected during and since the end of the second world war.

To me if a tiger is X in length and height its slack not to replicate that or, try and invent another wheel and make it fit what you want it to be. Its harder IMO to get it wrong than do it right in the first place. I also don't like comments I have heard from manufactures where they don't care if something is not right as only a handful will notice or, we are the manufacturer and we know better than the customers!!!!

I agree with Neil that this is a thread for the general toy soldier section not, the K&C one but, people should accept that some want different things and expect different things. I mentioned that half if not more of these issues are the fault of the manufacturers. if you state 1/30th on the box then thats exactly what it should be, replicating history should mean just that and, bang on exact should mean just that.

In the end its down to each collector to decide how happy they are with each set but, on such a forum like this it should be expected that issues will be raised. many people who do not get to shops and shows depend on things like this as they are paying what they consider a lot of money and want to know its right or, wont either fall apart or come with all the paint in a small bag instead of on the AFV.

Mind, in relation to the tiger we could have it in desert pink they were olive green ones!!!
Mitch

Think your spot mate . What I find odd on this forum people will rip a part a film for not having the right tanks etc but don't like it when you point out that the latest toy soldier truck is a 1950 version being sold as a WW2 D Day special , people say they don't mind people being bringing up these points but to me they take it personal , on other forums it not a problem but on here the way people carry on is very childish to be honest

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Buy what "you" really like............Enjoy it, display, dioramas, sharing pics, etc, and have fun doing it ! ^&grin

 

[Rob]

Think your spot mate . What I find odd on this forum people will rip a part a film for not having the right tanks etc but don't like it when you point out that the latest toy soldier truck is a 1950 version being sold as a WW2 D Day special , people say they don't mind people being bringing up these points but to me they take it personal , on other forums it not a problem but on here the way people carry on is very childish to be honest

The trouble is Neil is that whilst on one hand people who take it personally when people have a dig at a product from a certain company really annoy people, others are also very annoyed when others have an obvious agenda of their own often of an anti nature and clearly use this to bash said company, even if they think people don't see whats going on. Swings and roundabouts I'm afraid Neil. There are many examples of this on both sides stretching back years.

Rob

 

[Mitch]

years!!!! hours maybe minutes!!!LOL

In all seriousness I agree with Neil and, still cannot for the life understand the way people go on about manufacturers either defending them or, knocking them. well, aprt from the obvious which, is that they don't like them and enjoy winding the other collectors up.

The accuracy bit always baffles me as we are all supposed to enjoy history and want to replicate it. Neil is right about some of those who rip movies apart in the recent threads being the same who go ballistic if you say the figure is the wrong colour or, too small et al

All part of the rich tapestry that is this little playground
Mitch

 

[uksubs]

The trouble is Neil is that whilst on one hand people who take it personally when people have a dig at a product from a certain company really annoy people, others are also very annoyed when others have an obvious agenda of their own often of an anti nature and clearly use this to bash said company, even if they think people don't see whats going on. Swings and roundabouts I'm afraid Neil. There are many examples of this on both sides stretching back years.

Rob

Thing is Rob I think you can tell when someone got his own agenda and is just having a go for the sake of it saying that I think the kc Kittyhawk and Dora are better planes as Andy has taken on bored that people like planes with no pilots and open canopy . Like Mitch said for a lot of people this is the only place where people get to talk and see the items with no local shops

 

[Rob]

Yes that's true, everyone can spot an agenda either way a mile off. One thing that gets me is the following example. Someone posts in the Dispatches area that they don't like a particular item because of size, camo, markings could be anything, and as a result they will not be buying it. Now that I can respect, totally honest opinion, nothing to upset anyone, freedom of speech etc. However, THEN someone who likes said item buys it, posts a pic of how much he likes it etc and the aforementioned nay sayer goes onto his thread and slags it off. Why??? Why do they have to spoil a thread someone else has started just because they don't like something?? The person has already said they won't buy it, they've made their point but insist on spoiling the enjoyment of others anyway and then run away claiming they have been picked on by K&C fans.

This happens so often that people have got irritated by this and as a result are quick to pounce on those who want to raise quite reasonable questions and valid concerns. I've seen this happen on here for years now , if people showed a little more consideration I think a lot of arguments could be avoided. I don't collect FL or Conte, but I don't go onto the ra ra threads of those companies and slag them off, its only common courtesy.

Rob

 

[Vezzolf]

Interesting Comments: Given the High Cost of this hobby by the major manufactuers.......I do exspect a reasonable level of historical accuracy and consistent scale....as well as focus/ depth/ commitment to subject matter........But what I really look for is attention to detail and quality products.........Good sculpts and excellent paint on figures are a must have at current price points. If it's junk or poorly made or obscure subject matter....I will not buy it....as it will be very hard to unload it latter....Be choosey about what you buy guys...your money is "Hard Earned"

 

[Mitch]

Rob..

Thing is Rob you have hit the nail on the head.... Free speech and, you can say you like or dislike something a million times should you wish. Its a bit of give and take from both sides that would make the discussions a bit more amicable. Its never just one sided or, one persons fault.

I don't think well, I know there is not one single manufacturer who has not got something wrong regarding scale accuracy detail etc and, often its the repetitivness that annoys some that gets a set changed to how it should have been in the first place.
Mitch

Yes that's true, everyone can spot an agenda either way a mile off. One thing that gets me is the following example. Someone posts in the Dispatches area that they don't like a particular item because of size, camo, markings could be anything, and as a result they will not be buying it. Now that I can respect, totally honest opinion, nothing to upset anyone, freedom of speech etc. However, THEN someone who likes said item buys it, posts a pic of how much he likes it etc and the aforementioned nay sayer goes onto his thread and slags it off. Why??? Why do they have to spoil a thread someone else has started just because they don't like something?? The person has already said they won't buy it, they've made their point but insist on spoiling the enjoyment of others anyway and then run away claiming they have been picked on by K&C fans.

This happens so often that people have got irritated by this and as a result are quick to pounce on those who want to raise quite reasonable questions and valid concerns. I've seen this happen on here for years now , if people showed a little more consideration I think a lot of arguments could be avoided. I don't collect FL or Conte, but I don't go onto the ra ra threads of those companies and slag them off, its only common courtesy.

Rob

 

[Rob]

Rob..

Thing is Rob you have hit the nail on the head.... Free speech and, you can say you like or dislike something a million times should you wish. Its a bit of give and take from both sides that would make the discussions a bit more amicable. Its never just one sided or, one persons fault.

I don't think well, I know there is not one single manufacturer who has not got something wrong regarding scale accuracy detail etc and, often its the repetitivness that annoys some that gets a set changed to how it should have been in the first place.
Mitch

Mitch, but there is such a thing as ' I can so I will' type of thing. So despite having already stated on the forum someone doesn't like something, they then take it upon themselves to go ruin a thread celebrating someone else enjoying it just for the sake of it. And then cry ' Oh I was shouted down by the K&C crowd boo hoo' , well if you'd shown some consideration for others you may not have received such a reception. People are free to say they don't like an item, that is what freedom is all about. But others should also be free to enjoy celebrating their product (especially in the area of that producer) in their own thread without the constant wood pecking of spite and envy. I would suggest that the dispatches thread is a good place to agree or disagree about a product, I certainly have no problem with that, but when someone starts a thread entitled, oh I don't know, ' This is my favorite set' , then maybe just maybe consider NOT posting . Just a thought{sm4}

Rob

 

[uksubs]

Rob..

Thing is Rob you have hit the nail on the head.... Free speech and, you can say you like or dislike something a million times should you wish. Its a bit of give and take from both sides that would make the discussions a bit more amicable. Its never just one sided or, one persons fault.

I think your right mate it all about free speech and different opinion are what forums are about . Do be honest if some one said they did not liked something I like it would not bother me one bit