New Panther (1 Viewer)

[Firebat]

Some shots of the new and old panthers....... [URL=http://s86.photobucket.com/user/Firebat131/media/014_zps193dc530.jpg.html]

[/URL]OLD - Honour Bound - NEW

 

[uksubs]

Nice photos Alex but what do you think of the new tank ?

 

[Firebat]

The Panther captured me as I unpacked it. I liked the paint and the general crisp detail. When I put the turret on it was a loose fit and it sat down on the body so it could not turn freely, nothing a little spacer cant solve. The dimensions are slightly different than the original Panther ( The original is a bit smaller ), but they are in the ball park with each other. I collect Collectors Showcase mostly for their large size which fits best with the mainstream figures. I don't have a K&C Panther but that would be the best comparison as far as size, K&C usually run a bit smaller. The older HB was about the same also.... .All in all I think it is a pretty nice model, TCS seems to be back on track with this one. The pic below shows the older Panther in the front

 

[Hunter Rose]

Is it just the angles of the pics or does the barrel length/overhang look excessively long?

Other than that it looks nice. Only minor issue I see is the chin mantlet is angled a bit too low.

 

[Firebat]

Is it just the angles of the pics or does the barrel length/overhang look excessively long?

Other than that it looks nice. Only minor issue I see is the chin mantlet is angled a bit too low.

The barrels are all about the same size.........I also took a closer look at the new as compared to the old, there are subtle differences and the size is relatively the same, I had said I thought the original was smaller. So I cant say that this is a BIG Panther, because I don't believe the original Panther was the new larger size, we need a K&C comparison to validate that. I wrote about it because it has a good look overall. The mantlet has a different shape on the bottom than the others, I am checking the turret now and I see I have it a bit cocked (my bad) it is fine. It does show the looseness of the turret I mentioned though ( Just put it on right, not like me :redface2: ). I will do another pic

 

[uksubs]

Alex any chance some photos of the Figarti mosquito ?:wink2:

 

[Firebat]

Alex any chance some photos of the Figarti mosquito ?:wink2:

Yes...I will try to do it today....Or if you can wait a week you will see it in a dio. More Panther pics...... My space bar is not working on this forum for some reason, that is why everything is not spaced

 

[Mitch]

not sure why the old and new panthers should be a different size??? The issue of size is really becoming a pain it so simple to get it right but, here we are again discussing it.
Mitch

 

[uksubs]

Yes...I will try to do it today....Or if you can wait a week you will see it in a dio. More Panther pics...... My space bar is not working on this forum for some reason, that is why everything is not spaced
Would be great to see the mosquito on it own to see what it all about mate if you don't mind taken some photos ?

 

[Firebat]

not sure why the old and new panthers should be a different size??? The issue of size is really becoming a pain it so simple to get it right but, here we are again discussing it.
Mitch

Mitch ................ I corrected that statement, they are relatively the same, but this appears to be a different sculpt, so there are some slight differences...All is good on this one. UK I posted the Mosquito in the Figarti section. Alex

 

[villagehorse]

Thanks for showing the Panther camo, looks better than the stock photo, so much so I have just ordered it. Robin.

 

[dragon53]

Can anyone post photos of the Panther 211's right side?.....I'm curious if it's the same Panther 211 that was in the Battle of the Bulge.

 

[Blowtorch]

something is nagging at me...

did they slope the armor correct in this model? 55degrees from the vertical (35 from horizontal) or did they get those in reverse?

 

[Hunter Rose]

something is nagging at me...

did they slope the armor correct in this model? 55degrees from the vertical (35 from horizontal) or did they get those in reverse?

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It looks like they did reverse the slope. It's pretty evident in the first picture of Firebat's second post. TCS must have been battling dyslexia, as they put the headlight on the wrong fender as well (it should be on the left). Other rivet counting errors I noted were the deletion of the gun travel lock and the drivers vision blocks.

The darker paint on the Normandy version looks very nice though, and overall it looks good and comes with shurzen, so I think I'll still be picking it up despite these minor errors. Honestly, most tanks I have from TCS or King and Country have some sort of minor error to them. I think FL does a little better job on the exact historical accuracy of AFVs, but at 2-3 times the cost of a TSC tank I can overlook a minor error or two.

 

[Blowtorch]

The vision block is OK...it got omitted in the G. However it should have a periscope in its place which the model doesn't have. Not a deal beaker

 

[Firebat]

The vision block is OK...it got omitted in the G. However it should have a periscope in its place which the model doesn't have. Not a deal beaker

You guys are good........The info is appreciated :wink2: I think I am going to start a section on the Battleground Art Forum called the Rivet Count where we can critically review some key products. This forum couldn't stomach that topic.

 

[Mitch]

Count me in!!! That would be a great section where people with knowledge could discuss without being forced to duck for incoming rattles!!!LOL

Still this is and always will be a toy soldier forum and when the sets are based on reality (well, on the whole!!) then they are there to be discussed rivets an all. It is also forgotten that a great number actually want to know that what they buy is accurate and enjoy the accuracy issues which allow them to decide if its for them or not and learn about the actual AFV's etc
Mitch

You guys are good........The info is appreciated :wink2: I think I am going to start a section on the Battleground Art Forum called the Rivet Count where we can critically review some key products. This forum couldn't stomach that topic.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

It looks like they did reverse the slope. It's pretty evident in the first picture of Firebat's second post. TCS must have been battling dyslexia, as they put the headlight on the wrong fender as well (it should be on the left). Other rivet counting errors I noted were the deletion of the gun travel lock and the drivers vision blocks.

The darker paint on the Normandy version looks very nice though, and overall it looks good and comes with shurzen, so I think I'll still be picking it up despite these minor errors. Honestly, most tanks I have from TCS or King and Country have some sort of minor error to them. I think FL does a little better job on the exact historical accuracy of AFVs, but at 2-3 times the cost of a TSC tank I can overlook a minor error or two.

I have to disagree. IMO, getting the basic shape of the tank wrong is not a minor error, no matter what the price. And I do not think even a price of $179 is cheap. After pounding on K&C and Figarti for obvious errors they have made in the past, I just couldn't let this one slide. We are supposedly buying military miniatures - not toy soldiers. Toy soldier AFVs are available from other manufacturers for $50. For military miniatures, the AFV should be accurate in scale, have the correct details and features, and have the correct camo and insignia for an actual AFV.

Terry

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Count me in!!! That would be a great section where people with knowledge could discuss without being forced to duck for incoming rattles!!!LOL

Still this is and always will be a toy soldier forum and when the sets are based on reality (well, on the whole!!) then they are there to be discussed rivets an all. It is also forgotten that a great number actually want to know that what they buy is accurate and enjoy the accuracy issues which allow them to decide if its for them or not and learn about the actual AFV's etc
Mitch

We have a perfectly good forum to discuss rivet counting right here on Treefrog. This should be the place for such discussions. I've been posting for several years and have been very critical at times, but based on observable facts, and I have never had a post deleted or censored for rivet counting. (I have been told to shut up in PMs ^&grin and a few posts ^&grin^&grin but have no problem with that.

Terry

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

The vision block is OK...it got omitted in the G. However it should have a periscope in its place which the model doesn't have. Not a deal beaker

No matter what the vision block needs to be provided, its incorrect and needs to be remedied.

All I need is a collectors address and a painted aftermarket vision block will be provided with a placement paper die. This was provided to the factory and was omitted in production and needs to be provided for period the end. Its really no problem for us to do. We will then place the blocks on all units in the warehouse for dealers and collectors.

I think this is exactly what the forum is for, debating authenticity and so forth. I personally appreciate the comments.

Cheers!

Brian