King and Country Confederates (1 Viewer)

[Boyer PFC]

So alot of chatter about the WWII Releases - What do the Civil War Collectors think about the new figures. Personally, I think the detail is great and the colorfully patterned blankets, hats, uniform patches and rips make each piece unique. Pipe smoking was an unexpected surpise, that probably was a popular habit in the 1860's. More action is something I personally appreciate (I like WWII Iwo because the hand to hand combat figures and Banzai sets give the feel of a raging war). Does anyone know what type of rifle the troops are carrying? Please don't tell me they are not historically accurate - that is not the purpose of the question. I am a lover of horse flesh and I think the mounted figure is great. I believe Andy said these figures would be close in size to 54mm to match the army of Civil War figures produced by all the soldier companies during the last 20 years. I still have never seen in person any of the recent Rebel figures, can someone who has purchased them confirm their size?

UKReb - Civil War Phenom what do you say??

King and Country continue to amaze me at the volume of product that they are producing. Something new in multiple lines, every month is an enormous accomplishment. I hear alot of complaining on the forum about what is not produced, we all want our favorites and even I hopefully wait for another round of Custer figures someday, but everyone should applaud the King and Country organization for the quality and quantity that is being producing.

 

[Robert E. Lee]

Th rifle a confederate soldier would most likely carry would be a 58. calibre Springfield which was the common rifle musket for Union infantry or the 57.7 calibre Enfield which was imported from the U.K and widely used by Confederates.(correct me if I am wrong)

I personally was dissapointed by the new releases. It seems that either the confederates in this release are either wearing bright yellow or confederate gray with large amounts of blue piping. Cold Harbor is listed on the battle flag and If these were ment to represent late war rebels than they were the most well dressed, well fed confederates I have ever seen.

 

[Toy Soldier Brigade]

I was hoping for a few Union troops in this wave of ACW releases.

 

[Rifleman95]

The yellow color that was used for the "butternut" uniforms was not attractive. A khaki or tan color would have made the figures more appealing.

I did like the poses, though. K&C has gotten a lot better in recent series making poses look natural (particularly those firing weapons from the shoulder) and less stiff and staged than some earlier series. Also, the ACW weapons look less oversized than their modern ones.

 

[UKReb]

Good to see some Reb action poses from K&C and if they are as Boyer states closer to the 54mm scale that personally is even better news. (Can anyone from K&C confirm/refute that).
Particularly keen on the walking Infantry Officer just lurve that authentic beard. Rifles appear closer to Enfields (the Rebs favoured weapon) due to the prominence of the fully adjustable rear sights evident on the figures guns.

The Battle flag is a little odd with the inclusion of Cold Harbor (June 1864) when all the other battle honours are either 1861/62 and then exclude Fredericksburg and Chancellorsville both 1863 which were outstanding Confederate victories and were most definitely painted on all the ANV flags.

But that's just being a little too pedantic suffice to say if they are indeed 54mm I'll buy them minus of course the ones wearing the traffic warden yellow-jackets.

 

[Capitolron]

I am just happy with any new additions to the Civil War Range.

 

[Dragoon]

You can a find photo of the battle flag used by K&C in Time-Life Books, Echoes of Glory, Arms & Equipment of the Confederacy. It belonged to the 28th North Carolina Inf. Rgmt. and was captured at Gettysburg by the 126th New York. The Cold Harbor honor evidently is not for the famous battle in 1864, but more likely a smaller engagement fought earlier in the war near the same location.

The long arms could be Springfields, Enfields or Richmond Armory rifle muskets. All are 3 banded and all have adjustable rear sights.(there was also an Enfield rifle used that was eight inches shorter than the musket, and had two bands instead of three to hold the barrel to the stock). All the KC figure muskets are missing the metal end cap that should be at the end of the wood portion of the musket between the muzzel and ramrod.

 

[Pierre]

Hi Dragoon,

Thanks for sharing your knowledge, it is very appreciate.

 

[Pierre]

...Cold Harbor is listed on the battle flag and If these were ment to represent late war rebels than they were the most well dressed, well fed confederates I have ever seen.

From wikipedia: The Battle of Gaines' Mill, also known as the First Battle of Cold Harbor or the Battle of Chickahominy River, took place on June 27, 1862, in Hanover County, Virginia, as the third of the Seven Days Battles (Peninsula Campaign) of the American Civil War.


Pierre.

 

[Capitolron]

Pierre is correct - this battle is often confused in many of the historical documnets and recounts - due to timeline problems. Battle of Gaines Mill is what has been most acknowledge in the history books - but, the battle has been called other names as well.

 

[damian]

Pierre is correct - this battle is often confused in many of the historical documnets and recounts - due to timeline problems. Battle of Gaines Mill is what has been most acknowledge in the history books - but, the battle has been called other names as well.

I may be wrong but I was also under the impression that the Battle of Cold Harbor was one of the battles fought during Mc Clellan's penisular campaign when Robert E Lee was first asked to take command of the Army of Northern Virginia. Maybe Gary (Shiloh) could provide us with the definitive answer.
Regards
Damian

 

[Robert E. Lee]

I looked it up and you guys are right, Cold Harbor is a not very well known name for Gaines Mill. The large ,Eventful Battle happened in 1864 during Grant's Virginia campaign.

 

[Capitolron]

I may be wrong but I was also under the impression that the Battle of Cold Harbor was one of the battles fought during Mc Clellan's penisular campaign when Robert E Lee was first asked to take command of the Army of Northern Virginia. Maybe Gary (Shiloh) could provide us with the definitive answer.
Regards
Damian

Damian

The more Famous Battle of Cold Harbor was during the Lee vs. Grant Battles in Virginia - late in the War. It was also one of the most bloody battles of the Grant Campaign.

But, Gaines Mill has been refered as Cold Harbor as well.

Ron

 

[damian]

Ron
So there were two battles of Cold Harbor. I presume the flag refers to the first one, which would have been before Chancellorsville etc.
Regards
Damian

 

[Boyer PFC]

Hey UK Reb - I have the Custer book "A Road We Do Not Know" that you recommended coming as a gift this Christmas. Looking forward to a good read. Merry Christmas to you and the good people of England. Boyer

 

[UKReb]

Boyer
Throw the kids out the back Christmas day and I guarantee you'll finish the book by tea-time (that means 1700hrs here in the UK). It really is that good for all Custer buffs.
Enjoy and a Merry Christmas to you Yanks especially those in the Lone Star State.

Reb

 

[Capitolron]

Ron
So there were two battles of Cold Harbor. I presume the flag refers to the first one, which would have been before Chancellorsville etc.
Regards
Damian

Damian

Yes - But, one of them is really remembered as Gaines Mill

Howa re tricks with you?

Ron