Beijing International Model Show (5 Viewers)

The North African Tiger I tank looks amazing; however, it is historical inaccurate.
 
So far we've got incorrect mud flaps, non camo Desert Tiger I, Germans, only Germans and artillery crewmen in full dress vs campaign dress.

But other than that, Mrs. Lincoln LOVED the play.

Don't ever change TFT forum, the gift that keeps on giving.
 
Warrior said:
So far we've got incorrect mud flaps, non camo Desert Tiger I, Germans, only Germans and artillery crewmen in full dress vs campaign dress.

But other than that, Mrs. Lincoln LOVED the play.

Don't ever change TFT forum, the gift that keeps on giving.
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To double down on this, here's the thing; I'm sure the counter argument will be "Well for that kind of money, 'I' expect completely accurate vehicles and uniforms, manufacturers need to do research and get these things right."

The key word there is "I"; what percentage of toy soldier collectors are "experts" on tanks, uniforms, weapons? I'd venture to guess less than 5%, more like 1% and that's being generous.

And seriously; good for anyone who can spot an incorrect muffler, mud guard, wrong insignia's on uniforms, incorrect straps on German rifles; it's a gift, good for you.

To me, it's more like a curse, how do you sit through your average WWII film and not stroke out over all the inaccuracies (more on that in a second).

The "AVERAGE" enthusiast is just happy to have a DAK Tiger tank from War Park, good for them, I'm happy for them.

I saw a video recently on YouTube where some WWII weapons, AFV's and uniforms experts shredded Cross of Iron for all of its inaccuracies.....................AGAIN, inaccuracies that 1% of people who saw that movie know or more importantly care about, I love that movie, pointing out the inaccuracies (wrong badge on the field cap, troops in the field would wear helmets, not caps, the division markings on a truck were wrong, the Russian Grenades were wrong, the helmets the Russians were wearing were post war..........blah, blah, blah) does not diminish my enjoyment of that movie, the assault on the tractor factory was top shelf cinema IMO.

I have a good customer who just dropped 2,000.00 on a professionally built, painted and weathered German Tiger tank from Normandy complete with tank riders, it's absolutely stunning, he's over the moon about it, it makes him happy, it's 1000% historically accurate as well. He's a stickler for accuracy, but more importantly, is willing to pay a premium for it.

Don't take this as some sort of affront and I'm diminishing the importance of accuracy; I'm not, it just gets old time and time and time and time and time and time again when inaccuracies get pointed out is all.

So try to enjoy the hobby everyone, life is too short to go through it worried about trivial things, enjoy every day, enjoy every sandwich, be happy to be on this side of the grass, it beats the alternative.
 
Warrior said:
To double down on this, here's the thing; I'm sure the counter argument will be "Well for that kind of money, 'I' expect completely accurate vehicles and uniforms, manufacturers need to do research and get these things right."

The key word there is "I"; what percentage of toy soldier collectors are "experts" on tanks, uniforms, weapons? I'd venture to guess less than 5%, more like 1% and that's being generous.

And seriously; good for anyone who can spot an incorrect muffler, mud guard, wrong insignia's on uniforms, incorrect straps on German rifles; it's a gift, good for you.

To me, it's more like a curse, how do you sit through your average WWII film and not stroke out over all the inaccuracies (more on that in a second).

The "AVERAGE" enthusiast is just happy to have a DAK Tiger tank from War Park, good for them, I'm happy for them.

I saw a video recently on YouTube where some WWII weapons, AFV's and uniforms experts shredded Cross of Iron for all of its inaccuracies.....................AGAIN, inaccuracies that 1% of people who saw that movie know or more importantly care about, I love that movie, pointing out the inaccuracies (wrong badge on the field cap, troops in the field would wear helmets, not caps, the division markings on a truck were wrong, the Russian Grenades were wrong, the helmets the Russians were wearing were post war..........blah, blah, blah) does not diminish my enjoyment of that movie, the assault on the tractor factory was top shelf cinema IMO.

I have a good customer who just dropped 2,000.00 on a professionally built, painted and weathered German Tiger tank from Normandy complete with tank riders, it's absolutely stunning, he's over the moon about it, it makes him happy, it's 1000% historically accurate as well. He's a stickler for accuracy, but more importantly, is willing to pay a premium for it.

Don't take this as some sort of affront and I'm diminishing the importance of accuracy; I'm not, it just gets old time and time and time and time and time and time again when inaccuracies get pointed out is all.

So try to enjoy the hobby everyone, life is too short to go through it worried about trivial things, enjoy every day, enjoy every sandwich, be happy to be on this side of the grass, it beats the alternative.
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That's true, you're certainly right about the proportion of collectors who are genuinely concerned with accuracy, that's precisely the impression I get with TFT forum.

But personally, I think it's a shame to focus solely on the "toysoldiers" aspect and neglect historical accuracy, hence my various posts.

However, it's an opportunity for the various brands which can then certainly reduce their "historical research" budget and release expensive models with varying degrees of inaccuracy.
 
Mastercom10 said:
That's true, you're certainly right about the proportion of collectors who are genuinely concerned with accuracy, that's precisely the impression I get with TFT forum.

But personally, I think it's a shame to focus solely on the "toysoldiers" aspect and neglect historical accuracy, hence my various posts.

However, it's an opportunity for the various brands which can then certainly reduce their "historical research" budget and release expansive models with varying degrees of inaccuracy.
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I know for someone like yourself that has a lot of knowledge it must be frustrating to see the issues with items, I don't think any of the manufacturers dismiss historical accuracy, I really can't speak to this with 100% certainty as I don't work for any of them, all I do is sell the merchandise that they produce.

And if anyone thinks I'm only saying what I said because I'm worried about how inaccuracies being pointed out will impact my sales; I'm not.

Truth of the matter is Mike from Sierra passing away has really gutted me, I have yet to bounce back from receiving this terrible news.

Mike is gone and the hobby moves forward, but IMO, it just won't be the same without him or Sierra being around, very, very sad to see.
 
Oh and as far as the frustration over Germans, only Germans; I think the reason this is the case is from as I understand it, China is a huge market.

HUGE.

And the Chinese collectors are attracted to the German items; figures in camo, tanks in camo, Tiger I, Tiger II, themes like Stalingrad, Kursk, Battle of Berlin, so this is what drives production, it's not a slight on Allied figures and armor, manufacturers make what the collectors will buy and they will buy any and all Germans, at least in China, their biggest market.
 
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