“If dealers were allowed to discount prices would be lower to collectors” (1 Viewer)

[The Military Workshop]

Well Brett... "retired" or "not retired".... The point at this time is relatively mute....The "retired products game" used in the past by some TS manufacturers to create panic buying does not work so well any more....All that did was drive up prices for everyone...that party had to end sometime....And guess what?? TS are not an investment{eek3}....Most collectors are now being very selective in their purchases and not getting sucked in by the hype.....Products are going to be scrutinized much more by collectors based on quality/price....Prices in this hobby are out of control......Dealers may have more "stagnant inventory" then they care to admit.{eek3}

Frank,
As anybody can see you would much prefer the system where items disapear from inventory without
any prior notice.

Personally as a dealer I like to know when a manufacturer is going to run out of an
item so I can make a decision if I want to order more in. Other non K&C brands I deal in also provide
dealers with such information (in one case they actually let us know how many left sometimes).

As regards panic buying I think you will find all brands want collectors to buy their product as quickly as
possible and you can see examples of how they do it (ie. limited number items is a very obvious one
used by various brands). How each collector reacts to various marketing methods is up to them but
it seems odd to blame a manufacturer for doing its job which is to promote their sales.

A minor point. If a dealer has "stagnant inventory" then I am not sure it is the fault of the manufacturer
but perhaps the over enthusiasm of the dealer. I certainly have too many of some items (in some cases
I regard one as too many) but dont blame my suppliers for it.

Regards
Brett

 

[uksubs]

I think we should all say what we feel without fear of being shouted down myself. I like some of FL's products a lot and some not at all, I like some Britains figures a great deal and others not a lot, likewise CS etc etc. Freedom of speech was hard won in my view and it should be used. So if someone says they don't like something where is the problem, as long as its not done in an insulting way aimed at collectors its not a problem is it?

Rob

Rob but don't you think This thread started by Andy his shouting down at Terry ?

 

[The Military Workshop]

Neil,
I dont think Andy's post is "shouting down" at anybody. As a manufacturer it is no surprise he would
disagree with those collectors who are keen for discounting. The subject is a favourite one for
discussion but I wonder if those collectors who want discounts would also offer similar "discounts" in their own fields of employment. Doubt it.

As for your comment about "baiting post but long as it about fl and not KC it ok then". I dont see any
baiting of FL in this thread but some responses to comments by Vezzolf who is well known for repeating
his same old comments about K&C. Seems OK for him to say what he wants but not for others to respond to
him. I guess freedom of speech on the forum only goes certain ways.

Perhaps the next time you see somebody "baiting" K&C you might use this question / line again but just change
it to read "baiting post but long as it about K&C and not FL it ok then ?". Could come in quite useful
since you are concerned about being fair.

Regards
Brett

 

[Jack]

Neil

Did you read the other posts in this thread? Have your read the open criticisms of maufacturers that have seen them come onto the Forum and engage in open arguments with members? Have you seen the scale, accuracy, and price threads that have seen manufacturers defending their products in the face of what were thinly veiled accusations that they were lying, members waging campaigns against certain manufacturers and their products, members banned, or banned from certain threads, or suspended from posting, members put on enforced ignore, members accusing each other of being Nazis, Communists, Racists, Homophobes, New Zealanders.

In the midst of this, I have made almost 4000 posts and have only twice been critical - in any fashion - of any manufacturer or their product. I bad mouthed John Jenkins for releasing products that compelled me to buy them because they were so good and I mention that an FL Stug which I had thought about possibly maybe buying had been retired which put me off. I am quite the baiter - twice in 4000 posts. Get ready for February 2014 because I will really let rip. I then acknowledged that every manufacturer retires products and it was a logical and appropriate decision and indeed, why should a businessman hang around while I make a decision?

I will apologise again for the vitriolic and aggressive manner in which I have posted in this thread but I will add that it is odd that you bag the censors for the manner in which they do their job but they allow your criticism of censorship to stand. Perhaps they are more committed to your right of free speech than you are to mine.

Regards

Jack

 

[Simpson & his donkey.]

Neil

Did you read the other posts in this thread? Have your read the open criticisms of maufacturers that have seen them come onto the Forum and engage in open arguments with members? Have you seen the scale, accuracy, and price threads that have seen manufacturers defending their products in the face of what were thinly veiled accusations that they were lying, members waging campaigns against certain manufacturers and their products, members banned, or banned from certain threads, or suspended from posting, members put on enforced ignore, members accusing each other of being Nazis, Communists, Racists, Homophobes, New Zealanders.

In the midst of this, I have made almost 4000 posts and have only twice been critical - in any fashion - of any manufacturer or their product. I bad mouthed John Jenkins for releasing products that compelled me to buy them because they were so good and I mention that an FL Stug which I had thought about possibly maybe buying had been retired which put me off. I am quite the baiter - twice in 4000 posts. Get ready for February 2014 because I will really let rip. I then acknowledged that every manufacturer retires products and it was a logical and appropriate decision and indeed, why should a businessman hang around while I make a decision?

I will apologise again for the vitriolic and aggressive manner in which I have posted in this thread but I will add that it is odd that you bag the censors for the manner in which they do their job but they allow your criticism of censorship to stand. Perhaps they are more committed to your right of free speech than you are to mine.

Regards

Jack

What a interesting post to read and most informative . Chris.

 

[waynepoo]

Neil

Did you read the other posts in this thread? Have your read the open criticisms of maufacturers that have seen them come onto the Forum and engage in open arguments with members? Have you seen the scale, accuracy, and price threads that have seen manufacturers defending their products in the face of what were thinly veiled accusations that they were lying, members waging campaigns against certain manufacturers and their products, members banned, or banned from certain threads, or suspended from posting, members put on enforced ignore, members accusing each other of being Nazis, Communists, Racists, Homophobes, New Zealanders.

In the midst of this, I have made almost 4000 posts and have only twice been critical - in any fashion - of any manufacturer or their product. I bad mouthed John Jenkins for releasing products that compelled me to buy them because they were so good and I mention that an FL Stug which I had thought about possibly maybe buying had been retired which put me off. I am quite the baiter - twice in 4000 posts. Get ready for February 2014 because I will really let rip. I then acknowledged that every manufacturer retires products and it was a logical and appropriate decision and indeed, why should a businessman hang around while I make a decision?

I will apologise again for the vitriolic and aggressive manner in which I have posted in this thread but I will add that it is odd that you bag the censors for the manner in which they do their job but they allow your criticism of censorship to stand. Perhaps they are more committed to your right of free speech than you are to mine.

Regards

Jack

Mate couldn't have said it better myself, in fact I know I couldn't have said better.....:wink2:
Wayne.

 

[waynepoo]

Well I think the DINGO pack is swarming,howling and attacking.

'Bow wow'
Wayne.

 

[Simpson & his donkey.]

'Bow wow'
Wayne.

Sorry Wayne I have been edited by my boy. Chris.

 

[uksubs]

Mate couldn't have said it better myself, in fact I know I couldn't have said better.....:wink2:
Wayne.

Good for you :salute::

 

[Mitch]

If we look at the history of this forum every time Mr Neilson places a post like this aimed at some comment he feels happy to take umbrage with there is a small number of people all too willing to jump in and have a pop at the poster in question in a rather bizarre toothless manner.

Always ends the same FL get slated K&C get praised certain groups feel they have done enough for a doggy treat and a pat on the head others feel they add enough just to slip by the radar of the mods but making sure they contribute enough but make sure they can still keep their ''my hands are clean'' approach whilst others get dumped on!! its the way it is, always has been and always will be.

So, until the next post with a forum member, friend, etc etc said elsewhere

Get back to having fun fun fun!!!!!!!

Not stirring the pot as this is a truism one only needs to look back on and easily see
Mitch

 

[uksubs]

Neil

Did you read the other posts in this thread? Have your read the open criticisms of maufacturers that have seen them come onto the Forum and engage in open arguments with members? Have you seen the scale, accuracy, and price threads that have seen manufacturers defending their products in the face of what were thinly veiled accusations that they were lying, members waging campaigns against certain manufacturers and their products, members banned, or banned from certain threads, or suspended from posting, members put on enforced ignore, members accusing each other of being Nazis, Communists, Racists, Homophobes, New Zealanders.

In the midst of this, I have made almost 4000 posts and have only twice been critical - in any fashion - of any manufacturer or their product. I bad mouthed John Jenkins for releasing products that compelled me to buy them because they were so good and I mention that an FL Stug which I had thought about possibly maybe buying had been retired which put me off. I am quite the baiter - twice in 4000 posts. Get ready for February 2014 because I will really let rip. I then acknowledged that every manufacturer retires products and it was a logical and appropriate decision and indeed, why should a businessman hang around while I make a decision?

I will apologise again for the vitriolic and aggressive manner in which I have posted in this thread but I will add that it is odd that you bag the censors for the manner in which they do their job but they allow your criticism of censorship to stand. Perhaps they are more committed to your right of free speech than you are to mine.

Regards

Jack

Jack the reason I know your post was a dig at Fl is you never shown any interest in the company till someone this week posted the Fl Stug was sold out ! You said yourself you only collect First World War and we all know like KC so why come out with a comment like that ?
Think now we need to more on::smile2:

 

[Simpson & his donkey.]

Jack the reason I know your post was a dig at Fl is you never shown any interest in the company till someone this week posted the Fl Stug was sold out ! You said yourself you only collect First World War and we all know like KC so why come out with a comment like that ?
Think know we need to more on::smile2:

Fair comment. Chris.

 

[Jack]

Jack the reason I know your post was a dig at Fl is you never shown any interest in the company till someone this week posted the Fl Stug was sold out ! You said yourself you only collect First World War and we all know like KC so why come out with a comment like that ?
Think know we need to more on::smile2:

Neil

Unfortunately like everyone else on the Forum - myself included - what you know of other people is incomplete. I in fact collect AZW, Crimea, AWI, WW1, Naps and have looked semi seriously at some German armour. Most of my collection is Britains. I just hang out with a K&C crowd! The Stug and the Jagdpanther are two tanks I have in 1/35th so that would be where my interest would be. But as you say let's move on but just to establish one thing and I will leave the battlefield completely to you. Are you committed to the viewpoint that if you do not collect something you should not comment on it? So if a range was - for example - overpriced for a collector's taste and they were not going to buy it - your view would be that they should not comment?

Regards

Jack

 

[Simpson & his donkey.]

Neil

Unfortunately like everyone else on the Forum - myself included - what you know of other people is incomplete. I in fact collect AZW, Crimea, AWI, WW1, Naps and have looked semi seriously at some German armour. Most of my collection is Britains. I just hang out with a K&C crowd! The Stug and the Jagdpanther are two tanks I have in 1/35th so that would be where my interest would be. But as you say let's move on but just to establish one thing and I will leave the battlefield completely to you. Are you committed to the viewpoint that if you do not collect something you should not comment on it? So if a range was - for example - overpriced for a collector's taste and they were not going to buy it - your view would be that they should not comment?

Regards

Jack

Can't reply to this . Chris.{sm2}

 

[Mitch]

It is a toy soldier forum so, talk about what you want and how you feel the hobby affects you. Anything else is a waste of time. we are here to contribute how we feel about products etc and if some don't like that another dislikes K&C FL TG Britain's and HB (Heaven forbid you don't like HB are you people mad??LOL) they should have enough in them to say well someone else does not like what I like fine.

If I say I don't like this or that how does that affect someone personally and spoil their collecting a range? I have a number of items panned by people and it does not matter one jot.
Mitch

Neil

Unfortunately like everyone else on the Forum - myself included - what you know of other people is incomplete. I in fact collect AZW, Crimea, AWI, WW1, Naps and have looked semi seriously at some German armour. Most of my collection is Britains. I just hang out with a K&C crowd! The Stug and the Jagdpanther are two tanks I have in 1/35th so that would be where my interest would be. But as you say let's move on but just to establish one thing and I will leave the battlefield completely to you. Are you committed to the viewpoint that if you do not collect something you should not comment on it? So if a range was - for example - overpriced for a collector's taste and they were not going to buy it - your view would be that they should not comment?

Regards

Jack

 

[Jack]

It is a toy soldier forum so, talk about what you want and how you feel the hobby affects you. Anything else is a waste of time. we are here to contribute how we feel about products etc and if some don't like that another dislikes K&C FL TG Britain's and HB (Heaven forbid you don't like HB are you people mad??LOL) they should have enough in them to say well someone else does not like what I like fine.

If I say I don't like this or that how does that affect someone personally and spoil their collecting a range? I have a number of items panned by people and it does not matter one jot.
Mitch

Mitch

I really have to stop answering things on the Forum - it is taking over my life ... but your point is valid except for the fact that you have replied to my post in order to make it. I have not bad mouthed any TS product on the Forum ... ever. In fact I may well not have bad mouthed any TS product off the Forum except for one Britains figure. Not the manufacturer, not a range, just the one solitary figure which I do not like. I like almost every TS product I see. Everything looks good to me. People who collect differently to me are more interesting because they have something different for me to look at.

Regards

Jack

 

[jazzeum]

Neil

Did you read the other posts in this thread? Have your read the open criticisms of maufacturers that have seen them come onto the Forum and engage in open arguments with members? Have you seen the scale, accuracy, and price threads that have seen manufacturers defending their products in the face of what were thinly veiled accusations that they were lying, members waging campaigns against certain manufacturers and their products, members banned, or banned from certain threads, or suspended from posting, members put on enforced ignore, members accusing each other of being Nazis, Communists, Racists, Homophobes, New Zealanders.

In the midst of this, I have made almost 4000 posts and have only twice been critical - in any fashion - of any manufacturer or their product. I bad mouthed John Jenkins for releasing products that compelled me to buy them because they were so good and I mention that an FL Stug which I had thought about possibly maybe buying had been retired which put me off. I am quite the baiter - twice in 4000 posts. Get ready for February 2014 because I will really let rip. I then acknowledged that every manufacturer retires products and it was a logical and appropriate decision and indeed, why should a businessman hang around while I make a decision?

I will apologise again for the vitriolic and aggressive manner in which I have posted in this thread but I will add that it is odd that you bag the censors for the manner in which they do their job but they allow your criticism of censorship to stand. Perhaps they are more committed to your right of free speech than you are to mine.

Regards

Jack

Neil

Unfortunately like everyone else on the Forum - myself included - what you know of other people is incomplete. I in fact collect AZW, Crimea, AWI, WW1, Naps and have looked semi seriously at some German armour. Most of my collection is Britains. I just hang out with a K&C crowd! The Stug and the Jagdpanther are two tanks I have in 1/35th so that would be where my interest would be. But as you say let's move on but just to establish one thing and I will leave the battlefield completely to you. Are you committed to the viewpoint that if you do not collect something you should not comment on it? So if a range was - for example - overpriced for a collector's taste and they were not going to buy it - your view would be that they should not comment?

Regards

Jack

Mitch

I really have to stop answering things on the Forum - it is taking over my life ... but your point is valid except for the fact that you have replied to my post in order to make it. I have not bad mouthed any TS product on the Forum ... ever. In fact I may well not have bad mouthed any TS product off the Forum except for one Britains figure. Not the manufacturer, not a range, just the one solitary figure which I do not like. I like almost every TS product I see. Everything looks good to me. People who collect differently to me are more interesting because they have something different for me to look at.

Regards

Jack

I rather enjoy this Forum when I read well reasoned, well written posts like these.

Brad

 

[The Military Workshop]

Get ready for February 2014 because I will really let rip.
Jack

I cant wait.

Would that make you Jack the Ripper ?! You do know there are theories he was a Dr !!!

 

[Jack]

I cant wait.

Would that make you Jack the Ripper ?! You do know there are theories he was a Dr !!!

You're like the Devil really - I only have to say 'I summon thee' three times and you appear in a thread!

 

[Rob]

Rob but don't you think This thread started by Andy his shouting down at Terry ?

No Neil I don't , I see it as giving as good as he gets to be honest, to and fro you know. People are free to voice their thoughts, criticisms etc and Andy and anyone else is free to stand up for themselves and answer as they see fit.

I think Jack, Brett, Mitch have all made good points on here and now as you suggest Neil its time to move on.


Cheers

Rob