12th Dragoon Review (1 Viewer)

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I just received my first set of First Legion 12th Light Dragoons and thought I would pass on my impressions. I was most impressed by the form of the review done by Frank for the FL Stug so I thought I would follow the same pattern. I will warn you that my photography skills are not to his level which is a pity since these figures need to be seen to be fully appreciated.

Packaging

The packing for these figures is virtually the same foam lined boxing used for all FL Napoleonic figures. The figures are secured in a layer of foam cut snugly to their shape to keep them in place with cutouts to allow movement without friction for the more fragile parts like swords. All 4 of mine arrive without any damage except some minor sword bends that were easily straightened. I must say while it is good to have secure packaging, it should be noted that in the case you do have damage, FL is excellent about quickly replacing any with such issues.

Initial Impressions

Honestly while I have quite a small army of FL Napoleonics by now, I was pretty much blown away by these lads and their mounts. My first thought was Connoisseur level and I haven’t changed my mind in the least. These are truly impressive.


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Accuracy and Detail

As Frank noted, I expect FL figures to be painstakingly accurate at this point and certainly this release is right on the mark. The uniforms, weapons, emblems, tack and human and equine coloring and features are quite correctly rendered. The pattern 1796 saber is nicely rendered with the correct shape of guard and the buttons and ribbons on the uniforms are just right and amazingly detailed. Notice the detail on the double reins and bit attachments, bridle buckles, horses’ manes and facial structure, human eyes and facial structure. The horses all have different and quite realistic expressions, virtually non existant in this scale. You just don’t see detail like this often in this scale. Of course, figures of this scale are not intended to be viewed at this zoom level but you can see for your self how well these stand up to that degree of scrutiny. For my taste, the cropping of the tails is a bit overly done for this time frame but there are conflicting observations on that. Besides, if it bothers you, it seems quite easy to fix with an extension.


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Colors

The uniform and horse colors are excellent and I would judge most correct. The facial colors are a bit on the bright side for me but relatively speaking they are still quite nicely done. The shading nicely simulates some wear appropriate to campaign uniforms. The horse coloring is particular nice and appropriate, including the variation in white on the faces and ankles (socks).


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Poses

The poses are reasonably varied and quite suitable for FL’s intended representation of a unit advancing or preparing to advance behind the lines. The officer and sergeant are a bonus however since they are equally at home in a combat role. Note how well they look engaged in combat against some Cuirassiers. I would have preferred another combat capable pose or two for the enlisted men but that is a matter of taste and again, if it bothers me, I will simply change a few to suit.


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Scale

As expected, these figures fit perfectly with the other FL Napoleonic figures and are just about right on 1/30 scale. The blade length of a pattern 1796 saber should be 33 inches and these measured 27.45 mm which is equivalent to 32.42 inches at 1/30 and within 2% of the real value. Similarly, the soldiers measured about 58.7 mm which would translate into slightly more than 5 ft, 9 in soldier at 1/30. The horses measured about 50 mm to the top of the hind quarters, which are generally 1 to 2 inches lower than the withers used for horse height. This would yield a 15.2 to 16.2 hand horse, which is quite appropriate for a light cavalry horse of the period.

Conclusion

I am thrilled with this release. It is by far and away the best release of Napoleonic cavalry I have seen and makes me want to see many more from FL, British and French as a priority please.:D My only real regret is that the release was not larger since I don’t think I can stop at 4. If you like Napoleonic cavalry, you really need these. I think the value for the price is unbeatable in what I have seen available at this scale.:cool::cool:
 
An excellent review Bill, these are beautful figures.

If was I was to collect FL they would be a must have for me. My only gripe is the pose of the officer compared to the troopers.


and you never mentioned the horses teeth !! :)
 
An excellent review Bill, these are beautful figures.

If was I was to collect FL they would be a must have for me. My only gripe is the pose of the officer compared to the troopers.

and you never mentioned the horses teeth !! :)
Thank you Scot. Well as I noted, irronically the officer is my favorite.:eek:;) I also think he fits for the beginning of an advance which they are intended to represent. I just wish I had more of him.:D

Yes I do think the beauty of a horse's face is somewhat diminished by showing it with open mouth and that it is quite over done. However, if you are going to do that, the pose should match and it does here since they are all show as reacting to the restraint of the rein aid. Of course, with educated hands and trained horses, you should be able to minimize those occurances but the sound and thunder of battle can indeed be a challenge.:D
 
Thank you for this fine review.

I thought you might like the pose of the officer the best. If I am not mistaken he is mounted on the extra same horse pose as the General Colbert figure. The Trumpeter will be my next purchase.

King's Man
 
A very complete and well-thought out review. Thanks a lot Bill! You have made up my mind for me, as I will be ordering a couple of these soon. I really appreciate the close up shots to show off the detail.

I think the NCO and one trooper will be first up.

Noah
 
Bill,
I think you are being to modest when it comes to your photography skills . Your photo's are excellent . Even When looking at these figures under magnification such as this I think the hold up well . When looking at them at arms length like they are truly stunning . My Favorite is NAP0202 , The look on his face for me captures the moment perfectly , Confident and all business .Can't wait for an update of your diorama . Your excellent review of the horses is however lost on me , I have only ridden a horse a handful of times and they look good to me. I'm glad we have an expert on our side who will give Matt the business should they falter . An excellent review , now bring on the Prussian Uhlans or Hussars :) . Hey Bill you got your British Cavalry now I would like some Prussians :D Thanks for the great review Gebhard
 
Great review. I cannot state enough how valuable such review is for the interested collector.

Enough said. Need to move to the FL website to put my order in .... :D
 
I'm only collecting WWII but those sets of Dragoons look pretty nice, again the quality is unreal, as well as the sculpts and painting, I'm looking forward to my next sets as well as you are...WWII that is...Sammy
 
Bill

Thoroughly enjoyed reading your very concise review of these stunning mounted figures-you know your subject well plus your photographic skills and equipment most definitely nullifies your continual "amateur" croak-so enough already :D

Your illustrations and articulated text enhances for the viewer the intricate detail that demonstrates the obvious level of craftsmanship in pose/proportional accuracy/casting and painting of these FL figures. Your slight critiques on the horse I'll put down to your superior equine knowledge-nevertheless methinks thou doth protest too much ;) Based on these figures of yours I and my financial advisor can only hope that any new era that FL may release in the future steers well clear of American military history circa 1861-65 :D

Glad you are enjoying my book recommendation even though the title "Blundering to Glory" might irk some of our forum's Napoleonic experts.

Bob
 
Based on these figures of yours I and my financial advisor can only hope that any new era that FL may release in the future steers well clear of American military history circa 1861-65 :D

Hmm...........you know, Bob, American figures are long overdue from First Legion. We haven't done a single "yank" yet. What better way to redress that than by doing a conflict that had Americans on BOTH sides! ;) Certainly food for thought...

Glad you are enjoying my book recommendation even though the title "Blundering to Glory" might irk some of our forum's Napoleonic experts.

And now we get to the part of your post that really caught my eye. I wrote my university thesis in 1993 shooting down this poorly researched piece of work! In my opinion, Connelly's book is popcorn history, devoid of any deep research, which in it's basic premise both touches upon and yet completely fails to recognize Napoleon's strategic and grand tactical method of warfare. It was written to create controversy and is as deep as a puddle.

I can certainly see why Bill is enjoying it however. :D But be prepared, Bill, if you bring any of Connelly's ill considered opinions into our long running forum debates you'll be stepping on a hornet's nest!!!!! ;)

Best,

Matt
First Legion Ltd
 
And now we get to the part of your post that really caught my eye. I wrote my university thesis in 1993 shooting down this poorly researched piece of work! In my opinion, Connelly's book is popcorn history, devoid of any deep research, which in it's basic premise both touches upon and yet completely fails to recognize Napoleon's strategic and grand tactical method of warfare. It was written to create controversy and is as deep as a puddle.

I can certainly see why Bill is enjoying it however. :D But be prepared, Bill, if you bring any of Connelly's ill considered opinions into our long running forum debates you'll be stepping on a hornet's nest!!!!! ;)

Best,

Matt
First Legion Ltd

Matt

That's exactly what Bill said you would say in fact nearly word perfect-Consider it as "You've been had!":D:D:D

Bob
 
Matt

That's exactly what Bill said you would say in fact nearly word perfect-Consider it as "You've been had!":D:D:D

Bob

It would seem so. :eek: Alas, Bill knows my view points too well and I'm quite sure he knew even the mention of that "book" (for lack of a better term) would illicit a sharp response from me. ;)

That being said, it's just evil to mess with a man's hero! No worries, I'm a patient man and at some point will repay the favor to both of you. You should both expect it when you least expect it. :p:p:)
 
It would seem so. :eek: Alas, Bill knows my view points too well and I'm quite sure he knew even the mention of that "book" (for lack of a better term) would illicit a sharp response from me. ;)

That being said, it's just evil to mess with a man's hero! No worries, I'm a patient man and at some point will repay the favor to both of you. You should both expect it when you least expect it. :p:p:)
LOL, Bob and I was going to sneak up on him with subtle allusions to other texts I know he would respect; well there goes that strategy or was it a grand tactic, I can never keep those straight.;):D I suppose the Emperor (notice I used the honorific) is safe for a wee bit longer.:D

So Matt, is your thesis available on line or do I have to visit your alma mater?:D
 
So Matt, is your thesis available on line or do I have to visit your alma mater?:D

You know, I really don't know. At that point in my life I didn't care about preserving such things...I do wish I had a copy of it now though, if only to smack you over the head with it. ;)

Don't worry Bill, we'll still do green jackets...in march attack pose.
 
Thanks for the great pics and review! I wasn't planning on getting an of these, but you have made me reconsider my decision...
 
I just received my 12th dragoons trooper. He is superb! I think that I will have to get the officer also.
 
You know, I really don't know. At that point in my life I didn't care about preserving such things...I do wish I had a copy of it now though, if only to smack you over the head with it. ;)

Don't worry Bill, we'll still do green jackets...in march attack pose.
Well hopefully you could make better use of it than that.:rolleyes::D I was actually interested in your rebuttals of the time.:)

I am not too worried about your "threat" though. When you do them, I am sure it will be appropriate to their role, which for riflemen was clearly skirmishing; you are hardly the sort to cut off your nose to spite your face.;):D
 
U guys are dragging me to FL
Beautiful figures
more poses and expressions than KC
compare to KC
what is general opinion?
is it worth the extra money?
Maple Leaf
 
U guys are dragging me to FL
Beautiful figures
more poses and expressions than KC
compare to KC
what is general opinion?
is it worth the extra money?
Maple Leaf

In my opinion, should not be compared to the two manufacturers (KC and FL)!:confused:;)
Their output is actually different: after the decision in the choice of two, is a "matter of taste." This thought has often been post on this forum .... For me, I prefer a smaller number of figures but with a quality that meets my tastes .... others prefer more, but ultimately it is up to each collector to decide what is good or not for him!;)
I've fallen "in love" with FL Napoleon since late 2007 and I am really "addict" :eek:produits.Beaucoup of their forum members already know my blog, if you do not know, I invite you to take a look 'eye: http://bigor.tdm.35.over-blog.com/
NB: I use google translator.Armabigor.
 

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