60mm Figures with 1/24 Scale Panzers (1 Viewer)

[katana]

The photos show A Collectors Showcase and a King and Country nominal 1/30 scale figures displayed with an Academy 1/24 Panther and a VS Tank 1/24 King Tiger. I think the figures work well with the Panzers when you consider that the average height of a man in the period 1939-1945 was about 5'9". I would be interested to hear the opinions of forum members as to how they think these figures look in proportion to these Panzers.

 

[Mirof]

Hello dear friends
Well if you put a 60mm figure ( sole of the feet to the top of the skull ) with a 1/24 tank, it means the guy in real live is 1.44m ( 4ft9inc)

With King & Country tanks who's tanks are scaled as 1/32, they deliver figures scaled as 54mm ( sole to the eye ) and got a 60mm figure =1.92m ( 6ft4inc ) a basket player perhaps..

Forces of Valor on the other hand play by the rules : 1/32 applied to the tank and to the figure, meaning the figure is 54mm but from sole to top of the skull 1.73m ( 5ft 8inc) and that is more real

But if you never stand yourself near such a real tank, you can not know how heavy and imposing they are, and get the illusion that 1/24 + 60mm
or 1/32 +60mm are accurate looking
Not so, ... only real 1/xx applied to both tank and figure can reflect the reality

Best

 

[katana]

Hello dear friends
Well if you put a 60mm figure ( sole of the feet to the top of the skull ) with a 1/24 tank, it means the guy in real live is 1.44m ( 4ft9inc)

With King & Country tanks who's tanks are scaled as 1/32, they deliver figures scaled as 54mm ( sole to the eye ) and got a 60mm figure =1.92m ( 6ft4inc ) a basket player perhaps..

Forces of Valor on the other hand play by the rules : 1/32 applied to the tank and to the figure, meaning the figure is 54mm but from sole to top of the skull 1.73m ( 5ft 8inc) and that is more real

But if you never stand yourself near such a real tank, you can not know how heavy and imposing they are, and get the illusion that 1/24 + 60mm
or 1/32 +60mm are accurate looking
Not so, ... only real 1/xx applied to both tank and figure can reflect the reality

Best

The operative word is nominal as regards 60mm figures. 60mm figures range widely in actual size. The standing figure in the photos is a measured 68mm in height ; which at 1/24 scale would be 5'9''. The First Legion figures as shown on their website in comparison photos are actually 60mm average height. Other manufacturers figures typically exceed 60mm by significant amounts; usually 10% or more. Selected figures measuring in the range of 66 to 68 mm can be displayed realistically with armor models of 1/25 and 1/24 scale. Tamiya has recently re-released their 1/25 scale model range which are exceptionally well detailed as are the Academy 1/24 scale models.
Many collectors consider figures larger than their vehicles unrealistic. The same figures are far more realistically displayed with vehicles of the same relative scale. Collectors seeking scale realism should explore the possibilities of the wide range of excellent 1/25 and 1/24 scale models available. High quality assembled and painted models in 1/24 scale are available from both VS Tank and Unimax with examples of WWII and modern armor from Germany, Russia and the US. I collect armor models from 1/72 to 1/16 scale. I always enjoy new ways to combine figures with realistic models in interesting displays. Thank you for your observations. Regards.

 

[Mirof]

Hello Katana

Thanks for the info about VS Tank, this company was unknoxn to me
Just visited their site. Nice

Best

 

[katana]

Hello Katana

Thanks for the info about VS Tank, this company was unknoxn to me
Just visited their site. Nice

Best

Your very welcome. The King Tiger in the photo is a VS Tank. The suspension works and the tracks are individual articulated links. The colors of the ambush pattern are very accurate. The tools, tow cables, etc. are all individually applied; as you would find in a scale model. It is my favorite display model and I find it works well; to my eye, with the larger 1/30 scale figures from Collectors Showcase and King & Country. The KV-1 from VS Tank is an interesting model and not one that is offered in 1/30 scale to my knowledge. Regards

 

[katana]

I have recently discovered a new manufacturer of 1/24 scale WWII military models. TASCA makes several interesting models of the Panzer II; both European and DAK. Also a BMW motorcycle with side car. The models are very high quality. Trumpeter makes a 1/24 scale Kubelwagen of excellent quality. The number of 1/25 & 1/24 scale models is increasing!

 

[wayne556517]

The car is 1/24 scale they go well i reckon ?

 

[Mitch]

The figures with the Konigstiger look better than the figure with the Panther. The panther seems to show the difference more than the Konigstiger IMO
Mitch

 

[katana]

The car is 1/24 scale they go well i reckon ?

Excellent photos. The car works perfectly with the figures. The increasing size of figures has moved them into the range of 1/24 scale. A vast array of vehicles opens up for use with the superb range of nominally 60mm figures(now 68mm). I think that only First Legion now makes accurate 60mm figures. Even my latest Figarti figure, the Panther G commander is 68mm. I am using K&C and CS figures with my Hausser/Lineol 70MM artillery. Great displays Wayne

 

[katana]

Mitch: the camera angle may be a factor in the Panther photo. The attached photos show the size of a Panther relative to an average 5'9'' male. The B&W photo is WWII production image at the manufacture. Regards

 

[katana]

I would like to get some opinions of the figure size in relation to the armor. The figures have grown from 1/30 scale to 1/27 scale over the last 8 years or so. The Panzers are 1/24 scale and to my eye the size of the figures seems to work well. I would rather have an undersize figure than an oversize figure. A lot of tankers are short; tall tankers are a liability in a confined space. The WW II photo shows the actual relationship in size circa 1944 when the average height of a man was about 5'8'' The deck of the Panther is 6 feet. Opinions please. Thank You

 

[armchair warrior]

I have been all over this subject for so long now. It has made me sick and considering giving up collecting any range that has vehicles like either world war. When I see actual period photos of soldiers riding on tanks and there are 15 guys on a tank and then I look at my K&C collection I realize that K&C and the other 1/30 manufacturers are way off. I am not sure the pictures in the first post show a perfect scale match either but it seems closer than the stuff we think is 1/30(vehicles and figures both). At least that figure looks like he could fit inside the tank with 3 or 4 more guys. I think it looks closer to real life. The best match would be something in between. I will not add to my WWII collection, the oversize figures/undersized vehicles bothers me that much and I am not crazy about FL poses and facial shading (even though the figure/vehicle relationship looks good) so I wont go there. I might just stick to pre-20th century stuff for now. Pike and Musket is tempting me.

Any way, just my two cents.

Armchair Warrior

 

[katana]

I have been all over this subject for so long now. It has made me sick and considering giving up collecting any range that has vehicles like either world war. When I see actual period photos of soldiers riding on tanks and there are 15 guys on a tank and then I look at my K&C collection I realize that K&C and the other 1/30 manufacturers are way off. I am not sure the pictures in the first post show a perfect scale match either but it seems closer than the stuff we think is 1/30(vehicles and figures both). At least that figure looks like he could fit inside the tank with 3 or 4 more guys. I think it looks closer to real life. The best match would be something in between. I will not add to my WWII collection, the oversize figures/undersized vehicles bothers me that much and I am not crazy about FL poses and facial shading (even though the figure/vehicle relationship looks good) so I wont go there. I might just stick to pre-20th century stuff for now. Pike and Musket is tempting me.

Any way, just my two cents.

Armchair Warrior

Thank you for your input. I have done considerable research on this subject in an effort to increase realism using the figures currently available that range between 64 to 68 MM. I have a collection of Tamiya 1/25 scale armor I built back around 1980. I used the K&C Panzer Komander 1/2 figures in the Tiger I and the Panther and found them to be a more realistic combination of figure and armor. I build models so I can accomplish quite a lot in combining toy soldiers with 1/25 models. Tamiya has re-released these models and they are available on Ebay and Amazon. They are easy to build because of the large size and have advanced features; articulated segmental track and operating sprung suspensions. Far more realistic than the polystone models and far less expensive. I know many Toy Soldier collectors do not build models so I evaluated what was available in 1/24 scale RC tanks. I was amazed at the quality and detail of some of these models. The King Tiger photo is a prime example of the quality available and I consider it equal in detail to the Tamiya 1/25 scale models; without having to assemble or paint. A wide range of armor is available both in model kits and RC model; Tiger I, King Tiger, T34-85, KV-1, Sherman, Pershing and many more.

 

[katana]

Chemiebay; Let me know what you think.

 

[chemiebay]

Thank you for your input. I have done considerable research on this subject in an effort to increase realism using the figures currently available that range between 64 to 68 MM. I have a collection of Tamiya 1/25 scale armor I built back around 1980. I used the K&C Panzer Komander 1/2 figures in the Tiger I and the Panther and found them to be a more realistic combination of figure and armor. I build models so I can accomplish quite a lot in combining toy soldiers with 1/25 models. Tamiya has re-released these models and they are available on Ebay and Amazon. They are easy to build because of the large size and have advanced features; articulated segmental track and operating sprung suspensions. Far more realistic than the polystone models and far less expensive. I know many Toy Soldier collectors do not build models so I evaluated what was available in 1/24 scale RC tanks. I was amazed at the quality and detail of some of these models. The King Tiger photo is a prime example of the quality available and I consider it equal in detail to the Tamiya 1/25 scale models; without having to assemble or paint. A wide range of armor is available both in model kits and RC model; Tiger I, King Tiger, T34-85, KV-1, Sherman, Pershing and many more.

What a interesting subject here....
The first photo looks like the figures are too small in the same way that I think KnC figures look like gigants when placed near KnC tanks...
I have a formula which seems to work for me:

KnC or TCS figures goes well with TCS AFV
FL figures works well with KnC and Figarti AFV

But one think is for sure, I never ever place KnC figures next/on KnC tanks as this is not real in terms of scale.
Hope it helps

 

[wayne556517]

What a interesting subject here....
The first photo looks like the figures are too small in the same way that I think KnC figures look like gigants when placed near KnC tanks...
I have a formula which seems to work for me:

KnC or TCS figures goes well with TCS AFV
FL figures works well with KnC and Figarti AFV

But one think is for sure, I never ever place KnC figures next/on KnC tanks as this is not real in terms of scale.
Hope it helps

Agree mate they go well together.

 

[chemiebay]

Agree mate they go well together.

Nice pics Wayne...How I love those old TCS King Tigers! I do have FOUR of them, three winters and one Normandy, what I like the best of them is that they are 100% compatible in size with on foot KnC figures, I will try to post some pics later...

 

[katana]

Chemiebay; I would rather have the figures too small than too large. A figure standing half a head taller than a 6 foot high Panzer deck looks rediculous. Especislly when you consider that most Panzertruppen were generally short. The best match for scale accuracy in 1/30 scale WWII is Figarti vehicles with First Legion figures. The use of 1/24 scale diecast vehicles, as shown in some of the very high quality photos provided can be sucessfully utilized with the larger K&C and TCS figures. Some of which are 68MM tall!

Ultimate accuracy for a serious diorama for a Museum display can be achieved using Can Do 1/35 figures and Minichamps 1/35 vehicles or Dragon 1/35 finished models. No 1/30 scale toy soldiers can compare with these for true scale accuracy. FOV vehicles in 1/32 are OK but most have proportion and detail accuracy problems. Building 1/35 or 1/25 scale models opens a vast area of opportunites for very high levels of accuracy and quality. Regards

 

[chemiebay]

Chemiebay; I would rather have the figures too small than too large. A figure standing half a head taller than a 6 foot high Panzer deck looks rediculous. Especislly when you consider that most Panzertruppen were generally short. The best match for scale accuracy in 1/30 scale WWII is Figarti vehicles with First Legion figures. The use of 1/24 scale diecast vehicles, as shown in some of the very high quality photos provided can be sucessfully utilized with the larger K&C and TCS figures. Some of which are 68MM tall!

Ultimate accuracy for a serious diorama for a Museum display can be achieved using Can Do 1/35 figures and Minichamps 1/35 vehicles or Dragon 1/35 finished models. No 1/30 scale toy soldiers can compare with these for true scale accuracy. FOV vehicles in 1/32 are OK but most have proportion and detail accuracy problems. Building 1/35 or 1/25 scale models opens a vast area of opportunites for very high levels of accuracy and quality. Regards

Yeah, I couldn't agree more, but from a manufacturer vision it is easy to understand why AFV keep generally in the 1/30 scale range...where could fans display/storage such a large AFV if they were produced in the actual 1/28 figures scale? Been said that, a new window opens for my huge KnC figures collection: TCS AFV for my KnC figures and FL figures for my KnC AFV, hope it helps.

 

[katana]

Chemebay; that sounds like a plan that will work; although I like Figarti vehicles best. The track and running gear detail is far better and they are nicely weathered. Thomas Gunn vehicles are also very well done and are a true 1/30 scale.