Mitch
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Alex....
This is exactly the place to state what you find, your preferences and those you do not like. If not, then why have a toy soldier forum where, we are supposed to talk all things toy soldiers. The 'all' in that sentence is the important word.
My only confusion with this whole affair is that the Tiger I is treat as if its the biggest AFV that WWII saw and, for some reason needs to be made somewhat larger than any others. We danced around this subject after PA placed his pictures of the Normandy version some time back and, many said they would buy it but, because of the size discrepancy it would be a stand alone product. Now, on release of these two Brian stated quite quickly that they were the same size as the last version. That means they were oversized and not 1/30th so, I knew I was not going to buy them because of that and, some of the issues that have been raised here. My preference in the two tigers on show is the K&C version and, since the Tunisian tiger for me, nobody has done better tigers.
I know scale of figures is important to you and that you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time mixing and matching for what you require but, when there are as many issues with some AFV's as has been shown and some rather poor research into AFV and figure and, people are still saying its a winner how do you ever expect the compatibility you ask to be a feature in the hobby. If most collectors don't care about the accuracy of a piece as long as it looks ''good'' then why would manufacturers ever address the scale of the larger figures?
Simply, they do not need to as one argument and second which, I have said a number of times collectors in the majority actually like the bigger figures on the whole.
I just buy what I like the look of but, here's my treatment of the hobbies work
Each manufacturers stuff works best when mixed with their own products. That's kind of obvious.
CS figures are larger so, they will work perfectly with their over scale AFV's (that's just common sense and logic)
K&C and TG having made larger figures will therefore following the logic work well with CS armour.
As K&C armour etc is nigh enough perfect 1/30th scale they will have difficulty (for those who care) having compatibility with their own product figures!!! I am not so sure about that but, that's my opinion. TG also have slightly small Armour on the whole so, again issues here.
Figarti and FL work well both in terms of armour and figures. FL and figarti however, both work very well with their own makes both, for me, have compatibility. I think FL works well with the 1/30th scale AFV's K&C produce (I have tried them) figarti figures I have said are not for me and, I won't use them at all even with their own AFV's I have.
Britain's and HB work well with most AFV's I have used them next to. However, what we still are missing or avoiding in all of this is that there are bases stuck to the bottom of the figures some not so large some huge which, also distorts the discussion perhaps, you should remove all the bases and then go back to your mixing and matching. it makes a difference.
Apart from the obvious paint styles some more than others this just does not bother me in terms of the figures because for me, there is latitude in figure height and width and, that reality has nothing to do with this hobby or, figures would be all differing heights. something which is obvious to most dio makers and, has been an issue for several of the really good dio makers I know from the 1/35th scale hobby. That's why things will never change because these are toy soldiers and, no matter how good the setting they always remain that and never look real. You just have to make the best you can with the materials at hand
If anyone wishes to achieve perfect compatibility give up or, start your own range where you nail it bang on or whatever is often used in relation to the stuff. But, to do this one must not only have scale compatibility but, each figure must be have differing heights, body mass must differ or, the same problems will occur. Having the figures all the same height does little to solve the issue if we are looking at it as deeply as you seem.
Mitch
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This is exactly the place to state what you find, your preferences and those you do not like. If not, then why have a toy soldier forum where, we are supposed to talk all things toy soldiers. The 'all' in that sentence is the important word.
My only confusion with this whole affair is that the Tiger I is treat as if its the biggest AFV that WWII saw and, for some reason needs to be made somewhat larger than any others. We danced around this subject after PA placed his pictures of the Normandy version some time back and, many said they would buy it but, because of the size discrepancy it would be a stand alone product. Now, on release of these two Brian stated quite quickly that they were the same size as the last version. That means they were oversized and not 1/30th so, I knew I was not going to buy them because of that and, some of the issues that have been raised here. My preference in the two tigers on show is the K&C version and, since the Tunisian tiger for me, nobody has done better tigers.
I know scale of figures is important to you and that you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time mixing and matching for what you require but, when there are as many issues with some AFV's as has been shown and some rather poor research into AFV and figure and, people are still saying its a winner how do you ever expect the compatibility you ask to be a feature in the hobby. If most collectors don't care about the accuracy of a piece as long as it looks ''good'' then why would manufacturers ever address the scale of the larger figures?
Simply, they do not need to as one argument and second which, I have said a number of times collectors in the majority actually like the bigger figures on the whole.
I just buy what I like the look of but, here's my treatment of the hobbies work
Each manufacturers stuff works best when mixed with their own products. That's kind of obvious.
CS figures are larger so, they will work perfectly with their over scale AFV's (that's just common sense and logic)
K&C and TG having made larger figures will therefore following the logic work well with CS armour.
As K&C armour etc is nigh enough perfect 1/30th scale they will have difficulty (for those who care) having compatibility with their own product figures!!! I am not so sure about that but, that's my opinion. TG also have slightly small Armour on the whole so, again issues here.
Figarti and FL work well both in terms of armour and figures. FL and figarti however, both work very well with their own makes both, for me, have compatibility. I think FL works well with the 1/30th scale AFV's K&C produce (I have tried them) figarti figures I have said are not for me and, I won't use them at all even with their own AFV's I have.
Britain's and HB work well with most AFV's I have used them next to. However, what we still are missing or avoiding in all of this is that there are bases stuck to the bottom of the figures some not so large some huge which, also distorts the discussion perhaps, you should remove all the bases and then go back to your mixing and matching. it makes a difference.
Apart from the obvious paint styles some more than others this just does not bother me in terms of the figures because for me, there is latitude in figure height and width and, that reality has nothing to do with this hobby or, figures would be all differing heights. something which is obvious to most dio makers and, has been an issue for several of the really good dio makers I know from the 1/35th scale hobby. That's why things will never change because these are toy soldiers and, no matter how good the setting they always remain that and never look real. You just have to make the best you can with the materials at hand
If anyone wishes to achieve perfect compatibility give up or, start your own range where you nail it bang on or whatever is often used in relation to the stuff. But, to do this one must not only have scale compatibility but, each figure must be have differing heights, body mass must differ or, the same problems will occur. Having the figures all the same height does little to solve the issue if we are looking at it as deeply as you seem.
Mitch
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