Absolute Insanity....2 NYC officers killed in revenge... (1 Viewer)

this guy that assassinated the 2 cops...

before he murdered them...

he allegedly posted a message on Instagram that read...

"I'm putting wings on pigs today"...

I want to know when the cops protest rally begins...

I'll support that...
 
Terrible news.

Don't know much about his background but clearly a troubled person who decided to take two police officers with him after he had killed his girlfriend.

A tough time to be a police officer in the USA at the moment.

The "politics" of this in NY is interesting what with police turning their back on the Mayor and having previously commented that he should not attend police funerals. The Daily Mail stories on this have got many comments and many thousands of "shares".

RIP.
 
I remember when Ice T's "Cop Killer" song came out.
There was a lot of protest about the song at the time.
It was justified as art and not reality.
Seems that reality now follows art quite a lot
Terrible news all round.
 
Disgusting act of cowardice. Just sickening. I am sure that those "good upstanding citizens" in Ferguson are cheering. I have been disgusted with this whole movement and still am. In my book, the folks in blue have my benefit of thought every time.

TD
 
A tragedy for sure. Hopefully, no one else is "inspired" to commit similar acts of violence in light of recent allegations of police wrongdoing or brutality.
Brendan
 
The Military Workshop said:
Terrible news.

Don't know much about his background but clearly a troubled person who decided to take two police officers with him after he had killed his girlfriend.

A tough time to be a police officer in the USA at the moment.

The "politics" of this in NY is interesting what with police turning their back on the Mayor and having previously commented that he should not attend police funerals. The Daily Mail stories on this have got many comments and many thousands of "shares".

RIP.
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Sorry, he wasn't troubled, he was a cold-blooded murderer. That is, I don' think he was mentally ill in any way, just raised in such a way that those worst aspects of our nature were given free reign. I'd even say he was evil. But not troubled.

It also doesn't help that there are folks here, including people in high elected and appointed offices, whose constant drumbeat of racial hatred and hatred of police does not help but serves to foster a client where evil people are encouraged to act out.
 
Let's call it what it is. They weren't killed, they were murdered, there's a very big difference.
 
theBaron said:
Sorry, he wasn't troubled, he was a cold-blooded murderer. That is, I don' think he was mentally ill in any way, just raised in such a way that those worst aspects of our nature were given free reign. I'd even say he was evil. But not troubled.
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This is right on the mark. I'm sick of people constantly making the mentally ill their whipping boy.

I don't like DiBlasio. Even though I don't live in NY, I'm close enough and people are tired of his act. Bloomberg was the perfect mayor for the City but after three terms, it was probably time to move on.
 
A cowardly act beyond belief, my thoughts and prays go out to their families and friends during this terrible time.
 
theBaron said:
Sorry, he wasn't troubled, he was a cold-blooded murderer. That is, I don' think he was mentally ill in any way, just raised in such a way that those worst aspects of our nature were given free reign. I'd even say he was evil. But not troubled.

It also doesn't help that there are folks here, including people in high elected and appointed offices, whose constant drumbeat of racial hatred and hatred of police does not help but serves to foster a client where evil people are encouraged to act out.
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Brad (and others),
I take you point about the use of the words troubled and killed.

I did actually edit my post as writing it as thought somebody might misread what I was trying to say. The fact he attempted to murder his girlfriend (when I read the story I thought he had killed her but subsequently read she survived) indicates that was the trigger point. Now don't take this the wrong way but would he have murdered the police officers if he had not already attempted to murder his girlfriend ? To me the first act led him on a path where he planned to die. Unfortunately his background and probably all the news about the recent cases had built up inside to the point where once he has decided to murder his girlfriend the additional murder of the police was something he thought he might as well do since he was already suicidal at that point. It was a kind of revenge for all his perceived "injustices" in his life. Again I hope this does not sound wrong but I think there is a difference between a person going and randomly murdering two police and one who has just shot somebody already and then does it. The police would not have died if there were not the issues surrounding the girlfriend is how I look at this incident.

It reminded me of the Sydney hostage taker where once I heard he had 40 sexual assault cases coming up for trial I felt he was planning a suicide by cop. He knew his facade of being a sheikh/healer was going to end and he was looking at significant jail time and loss of any last faint support in the Muslim community. By his own behaviour and hatred he ran out of options in his mind.

Not trying to excuse him but trying to understand why he did it.

Brett
 
The Military Workshop said:
Brad (and others),
I take you point about the use of the words troubled and killed.

I did actually edit my post as writing it as thought somebody might misread what I was trying to say. The fact he attempted to murder his girlfriend (when I read the story I thought he had killed her but subsequently read she survived) indicates that was the trigger point. Now don't take this the wrong way but would he have murdered the police officers if he had not already attempted to murder his girlfriend ? To me the first act led him on a path where he planned to die. Unfortunately his background and probably all the news about the recent cases had built up inside to the point where once he has decided to murder his girlfriend the additional murder of the police was something he thought he might as well do since he was already suicidal at that point. It was a kind of revenge for all his perceived "injustices" in his life. Again I hope this does not sound wrong but I think there is a difference between a person going and randomly murdering two police and one who has just shot somebody already and then does it. The police would not have died if there were not the issues surrounding the girlfriend is how I look at this incident.

It reminded me of the Sydney hostage taker where once I heard he had 40 sexual assault cases coming up for trial I felt he was planning a suicide by cop. He knew his facade of being a sheikh/healer was going to end and he was looking at significant jail time and loss of any last faint support in the Muslim community. By his own behaviour and hatred he ran out of options in his mind.

Not trying to excuse him but trying to understand why he did it.

Brett
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Brett...

I see your logic...he may have felt he was a lost cause with nothing to lose...

but...more food for thought...

did you catch his post on Instagram...

"they took one of ours so I'll take 2 of theirs"...

maybe he was fed up with life...but that statement makes me think it was a revenge motif...perhaps coupled with your theory...but hard to neglect as a payback motif alone...
 
The Military Workshop said:
Brad (and others),
I take you point about the use of the words troubled and killed.

I did actually edit my post as writing it as thought somebody might misread what I was trying to say. The fact he attempted to murder his girlfriend (when I read the story I thought he had killed her but subsequently read she survived) indicates that was the trigger point. Now don't take this the wrong way but would he have murdered the police officers if he had not already attempted to murder his girlfriend ? To me the first act led him on a path where he planned to die. Unfortunately his background and probably all the news about the recent cases had built up inside to the point where once he has decided to murder his girlfriend the additional murder of the police was something he thought he might as well do since he was already suicidal at that point. It was a kind of revenge for all his perceived "injustices" in his life. Again I hope this does not sound wrong but I think there is a difference between a person going and randomly murdering two police and one who has just shot somebody already and then does it. The police would not have died if there were not the issues surrounding the girlfriend is how I look at this incident.

It reminded me of the Sydney hostage taker where once I heard he had 40 sexual assault cases coming up for trial I felt he was planning a suicide by cop. He knew his facade of being a sheikh/healer was going to end and he was looking at significant jail time and loss of any last faint support in the Muslim community. By his own behaviour and hatred he ran out of options in his mind.

Not trying to excuse him but trying to understand why he did it.

Brett
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This was not some guy who had a bad relationship and attempted to murder his girlfriend in the heat of passion. He posted public statements calling for the murder of police officers, and there is an investigation to confirm that he had ties to a gang that has also called publicly for people to murder cops. If you want to understand it, then you must recognize, as I noted before, that he's not crazy, he acted on the worst aspects of human nature.
 
theBaron said:
This was not some guy who had a bad relationship and attempted to murder his girlfriend in the heat of passion. He posted public statements calling for the murder of police officers, and there is an investigation to confirm that he had ties to a gang that has also called publicly for people to murder cops. If you want to understand it, then you must recognize, as I noted before, that he's not crazy, he acted on the worst aspects of human nature.
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Brad,
I did not say he attempted to murder her in heat of passion or even that I think he was crazy. I am merely expressing the opinion that the girlfriend issue was also a motivator. Or did he decide to kill the police first (ie. more of a motivator than the girl) and the girlfriend was a side revenge issue for spurning him. Clearly the guy had a very bad criminal background and decided to take out some people who he thought represented what was wrong his life. I would not be surprised if there was some sort of trigger that set him off in the days before the shootings.

Either way I think I will end my opinions on this matter as no doubt the police will be investigating what happened before the shootings.

Brett

Brett
 
No disrespect to any of the poster's here, because I completely understand the anger and frustration being expressed, but I also totally get where Brett is coming from. as an ex-cop he's trying to work out why this terrible thing has happened on top of the Sydney siege and the shocking deaths of 8x children in Cairns a couple of days ago.

Cops past and present, instinctively try to analyse/work out the reasons why and how these things occur, so they can try and prevent a reoccurrence. There is always a trigger point, a moment or series of events that lead to such horrific incidents. This bloke clearly had grievance's, perceived or otherwise, and was a very angry man with murder on his mind and a real hatred for law enforcement and authority.

Sadly he's one of many who use social media to rant and rave about what they're going to do and how they're going to do it. Thankfully most are full of piss and wind and amount to nothing, otherwise we'd be seeing a heck of a lot more of this type of thing in the world. The trick is to spot the genuine threat, which at times can be incredible difficult.

My heart goes out to the families of these two officers and to the victims of the Sydney siege and the relatives of the 8x kids who were killed under such tragic circumstances.
 
I have to concede now that the murderer had some issues, according to info I'm seeing. I also understand trying to work out the "why", but I don't think mental illness is the right "why". He was a fanatic, and like I said before, his behavior may be shocking, but it's certainly not unusual human behavior. He hated the police, he dehumanized his targets, and it made it easier for him, then, to take innocent lives.
 
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