ACW Union 'Red Legs' (1 Viewer)

Rob

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Ok guys.The other day i watched the Western 'The outlaw Josey Wales'.In it Wales and other Rebel fighters are hunted by Union 'Red legs',cavalrymen with distinctive red leg covers.The film gave the impression that the Rebels hated these troops.Can any of you ACW experts tell me if these guys existed and were they a special force of some kind?.

Rob
 
They were Kansas state militia, if I am not mistaken, or at least, volunteer cavalry. I don't think they were on the federal establishment. The gaiters were soft red leather, like buckskin or suede.
 
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You've got me digging deeper, now, Rob!

Here's a link to an article about the irregular cavalry that fought on each side in Missouri:

http://militaryhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/missouri_guerilla_campaign_pt1

The leggings were cloth, not leather, so I stand corrected.

Some famous characters came out of that theater of the war, including Frank and Jesse James, on the Confederate side, and Bill Hickock, on the Union side.

If you liked "The Outlaw Josey Wales", you might want to read the original novel by Forrest Carter, called, "Gone to Texas".

Prost!
Brad
 
Ok guys.The other day i watched the Western 'The outlaw Josey Wales'.In it Wales and other Rebel fighters are hunted by Union 'Red legs',cavalrymen with distinctive red leg covers.The film gave the impression that the Rebels hated these troops.Can any of you ACW experts tell me if these guys existed and were they a special force of some kind?.

Rob
Rob, they did exist and the impression that the southern supporters hated them is an understatement. The irregular war in Missouri was a vicious, no-quarter war that spawned the likes of Quantrill, Bill Anderson, the James brothers, the Youngers, and the "bushwackers". An excellent book on the subject is "Inside War" by Michael Fellman done by Oxford Press in 1989. It is a facinating aspect of the ACW that is not much appreciated. -- lancer
 
"General Order Number 11" by artist George Caleb Bingham.

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The Devil Knows How to Ride: The True Story of William Clark Quantrill and His Confederate Raiders (Hardcover)
by Edward E. Leslie (Author) "When Quantrill first became involved in the ongoing strife on the kansas-Missouri border in 1860, he was only twenty-two years old..."

http://www.amazon.com/Devil-Knows-How-Ride-Confederate/dp/0679424555
 
Rob as others have already mentioned, they did exist. The Inside War is an excellent book on the subject. The Missouri and Kansas area has always been the "ugly little war" even before the Civil War broke out. The Jay-hawkers (Federal) versus the Bushwhackers/Border Ruffians (Confederate) was anything but civil starting with the John Brown raids and ending with the James brothers. Another more recent movie was "Ride with the Devil" which sort of showed both sides. I think it came out in 1999 or 2000 somewhere in there.

Hope this helps.
 
Wow thanks guys.Very helpful of all of you.I am someone who has an interest in the ACW but know very little about it,all your help is much appreciated.

Rob
 
Rob as others have already mentioned, they did exist. The Inside War is an excellent book on the subject. The Missouri and Kansas area has always been the "ugly little war" even before the Civil War broke out. The Jay-hawkers (Federal) versus the Bushwhackers/Border Ruffians (Confederate) was anything but civil starting with the John Brown raids and ending with the James brothers. Another more recent movie was "Ride with the Devil" which sort of showed both sides. I think it came out in 1999 or 2000 somewhere in there.

Hope this helps.
"Ride With the Devil" is a good movie starring Tobey (Spiderman) McGuire of all people, but is very believable in his part as a bushwhacker. The movie generally tells the southern viewpoint but does show the way everyone got dragged in. There is a great Lawrence raid sequence as well as other good action scenes and the obligatory love story. Worth watching IMO. -- lancer
 
Maybe I'm confused. Wasn't a confederate artillery person called a red-legger? Don't know where I heard that but I could be totally wrong.

Take Care
 
My father was in WW II and was speaking to a Viet Nam Vet who was in the artillery. He called the Viet Nam vet a "Red Leg" and the vet got it. The red stripes on US artilleymen's trousers were still part of the slang even after they stopped being it use.

During the Mexican War, a battalion of "red-legged" infantry took part in the battle of Palo-Alto. The battalion was made up of "extra" artillerymen used as infantry.
 
The Red Legged Infantry slang was even used when US Coastal Artillery men recieved infantry training in the early 1900s.

The term Red-Legged Devils was applied to Union Zouave and Chasseurs such as the 14th Brooklyn. Red-Legs and red legged does show up for Confederates.
The story that Reg-legs applied to the red stockings of Seminole War era US artillerymen is "Bunk". It's the trouser stripe.
 
Ok guys.The other day i watched the Western 'The outlaw Josey Wales'.In it Wales and other Rebel fighters are hunted by Union 'Red legs',cavalrymen with distinctive red leg covers.The film gave the impression that the Rebels hated these troops.Can any of you ACW experts tell me if these guys existed and were they a special force of some kind?.

Rob


Rob

"Dying - ain't no way to make a living" :eek: :eek: :eek:

GREAT MOVIE ! :D
 
Wow thanks guys.Very helpful of all of you.I am someone who has an interest in the ACW but know very little about it,all your help is much appreciated.

Rob

Rob

I cannot add much to what the other guys have posted except perhaps a little clarification of the group names of all these border ruffians and knowing you have an interest in the ACW the least I can do is try to nurture your curiosity:D:D

As the guys have said the border states saw a hell of a lot of citizen's blood spilt during the war especially the period 1862/63.

A Jayhawker was a Unionist who was determined to burn out and execute Rebs and Rebel sympathisers.
A Bushwhacker was a rebel Jayhawker who banded with others for the purpose of preying upon the lives and property of Union citizens.
And a Redleg was as the posters have described-originally formed as Kansas Border Scouts in 1862 and depending what side of the fence one was on were either seen as murderous outlaws or patriotic saviours (Where have you heard that one before)

As you mentioned the movie Josey Wales- a sidebar that may interest you is the "evil" character Red Leg Terrill (played by Bill McKinney a favorite Eastwood character actor) was probably based on William S Tough a real interesting but little known character.

Southern born in Savannah about 1840 but at the outbreak of the war was living in Baltimore Maryland-another divided state-he was not particularly interested in the war for Southern Independence until he was attacked by a bunch of Jayhawkers who stole his horses. He got short thrift and no recompense from Uncle Sam so he searched out the rebel force to join up but on his proposed enlistment journey he came up against a gang of Bushwhackers who shot him and left him for dead (pretty unlucky guy). He swore eternal vengeance against the Rebs, to help him get his revenge he raised a gang of 100 men and hunted down his would be killers and hung the lot and carried on shooting and hanging as many Rebs as he could find. His bloody reputation came to the attention of Union Brig Gen.James Gillpatrick Blunt (the character Senator Lane was loosely based on Blunt in the movie) who recruited him as his chief of scouts for his Kansas Brigade and together had many a run-in with Quantrill and Bloody Bill Anderson. But unlike the grisly demise of Terrill in the movie Tough survived and died peacefully in 1914.

Reb.
 
Rob

I cannot add much to what the other guys have posted except perhaps a little clarification of the group names of all these border ruffians and knowing you have an interest in the ACW the least I can do is try to nurture your curiosity:D:D

As the guys have said the border states saw a hell of a lot of citizen's blood spilt during the war especially the period 1862/63.

A Jayhawker was a Unionist who was determined to burn out and execute Rebs and Rebel sympathisers.
A Bushwhacker was a rebel Jayhawker who banded with others for the purpose of preying upon the lives and property of Union citizens.
And a Redleg was as the posters have described-originally formed as Kansas Border Scouts in 1862 and depending what side of the fence one was on were either seen as murderous outlaws or patriotic saviours (Where have you heard that one before)

As you mentioned the movie Josey Wales- a sidebar that may interest you is the "evil" character Red Leg Terrill (played by Bill McKinney a favorite Eastwood character actor) was probably based on William S Tough a real interesting but little known character.

Southern born in Savannah about 1840 but at the outbreak of the war was living in Baltimore Maryland-another divided state-he was not particularly interested in the war for Southern Independence until he was attacked by a bunch of Jayhawkers who stole his horses. He got short thrift and no recompense from Uncle Sam so he searched out the rebel force to join up but on his proposed enlistment journey he came up against a gang of Bushwhackers who shot him and left him for dead (pretty unlucky guy). He swore eternal vengeance against the Rebs, to help him get his revenge he raised a gang of 100 men and hunted down his would be killers and hung the lot and carried on shooting and hanging as many Rebs as he could find. His bloody reputation came to the attention of Union Brig Gen.James Gillpatrick Blunt (the character Senator Lane was loosely based on Blunt in the movie) who recruited him as his chief of scouts for his Kansas Brigade and together had many a run-in with Quantrill and Bloody Bill Anderson. But unlike the grisly demise of Terrill in the movie Tough survived and died peacefully in 1914.

Reb.

Reb,i blame you and your dio's for almost singlehandedly reigniting my interest in this monumental struggle!;):D

Thanks for that mate,very interesting.I enjoyed the film and was wondering how much truth there was behind it.One of these days i'm going to talk my wife into us going over to some of the battlefields of the ACW,i really want to see place like Antietam,Shiloh,The Wilderness and of course Gettysburg.

Thanks again

Rob
 
Rob,

During the 1850s, when the Kansas Nebraska territory was open for settlement, as a result of the Kansas Nebraska Act, which mandated popular sovereignty (i.e., it was up to the particular territory to decide if they were to a free or a slave state) for those territories, the fighting was particularly vicious for control of the territories and John Brown was involved in a particularly vicious one. They didn't call it Bloody Kansas for nothing.

The Kansas Nebraska Act and its repercussions had a lot to do with the ultimate outbreak of the Civil War.
 
Granny alludes to that conflict a couple of times in the movie, Rob. She doesn't like Kansans, or Hoosiers, either, "Never cared for Hoosiers much myself, either".
 
Some interesting stuff presented. Previously I had only heard "red leg" as a term on honor - used to refer to members of the US Army Artillery branch. My father was a "red leg" for many years.

In this highly "politically correct" world I'm surprised that the Kansas Jayhawks haven't been told to change their team name!

Gary
 
Rob

I cannot add much to what the other guys have posted except perhaps a little clarification of the group names of all these border ruffians and knowing you have an interest in the ACW the least I can do is try to nurture your curiosity:D:D

As the guys have said the border states saw a hell of a lot of citizen's blood spilt during the war especially the period 1862/63.

A Jayhawker was a Unionist who was determined to burn out and execute Rebs and Rebel sympathisers.
A Bushwhacker was a rebel Jayhawker who banded with others for the purpose of preying upon the lives and property of Union citizens.
And a Redleg was as the posters have described-originally formed as Kansas Border Scouts in 1862 and depending what side of the fence one was on were either seen as murderous outlaws or patriotic saviours (Where have you heard that one before)

As you mentioned the movie Josey Wales- a sidebar that may interest you is the "evil" character Red Leg Terrill (played by Bill McKinney a favorite Eastwood character actor) was probably based on William S Tough a real interesting but little known character.

Southern born in Savannah about 1840 but at the outbreak of the war was living in Baltimore Maryland-another divided state-he was not particularly interested in the war for Southern Independence until he was attacked by a bunch of Jayhawkers who stole his horses. He got short thrift and no recompense from Uncle Sam so he searched out the rebel force to join up but on his proposed enlistment journey he came up against a gang of Bushwhackers who shot him and left him for dead (pretty unlucky guy). He swore eternal vengeance against the Rebs, to help him get his revenge he raised a gang of 100 men and hunted down his would be killers and hung the lot and carried on shooting and hanging as many Rebs as he could find. His bloody reputation came to the attention of Union Brig Gen.James Gillpatrick Blunt (the character Senator Lane was loosely based on Blunt in the movie) who recruited him as his chief of scouts for his Kansas Brigade and together had many a run-in with Quantrill and Bloody Bill Anderson. But unlike the grisly demise of Terrill in the movie Tough survived and died peacefully in 1914.

Reb.

Wow, Reb! There is no limit to your knowledge of the Civil War! Thanks for the information, as the Outlaw Josie Wells is one of my all time favorite movies. Just as an aside, my favorite scene in the whole movie is when the Red Legs are trying to cross the river on the ferry, and the Carpet Bagger says "we have something in America called Justice", and Josie Wells, without missing a beat says, "well Mr. Carpet Bagger, we have something around here called a Missouri boat ride" as he shoots out the ferry lines and sends them down the river out of control.:cool::cool:
 

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